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Complete information on working SM style device.

Started by spherics, March 17, 2008, 12:03:53 AM

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Bruce_TPU

Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

konduct

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 29, 2008, 10:40:10 PM
Hey Guys,

PLEASE reread Spherics first post.  (As a matter of fact, all of them!)  Many of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.  Spherics design DOES NOT call for iron nor any delay.  Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics.

SM's early TPU has the iron delay coil.  PLEASE UNDERSTAND...You want the "COMP field" produced from the bifilar wound coil on SM's early version.  This is a LARGER magnetic field.  This is pulsed in rotation, with the magnetic north of each "Kick Coil" facing the collectors.  I spent hours drawing it up for you all, using Spherics description.  It is simple to build. 

@ Rosphere
You may be right, but the man says 30 degrees, and made it boldfaced.  You might try it his way first.

@ ALL
I know and understand that human nature is to change things, and to try to "improve" on them before you even have a working model.  As usual, I would say to "simply follow the man's directions and not change a thing!"

If you want to "experiment" with something, try using different size coils and wire since that is the only thing missing.

For SM's early TPU, use insulated iron for the delay coil like the man said.  Get it working as shown in my diagram, and then you can start changing things up.

Gauss strength of the comp field.  Huge magnetic wave.  Rotate the magnetic field at high speed.  It is all about the coils and their interactions with one another. 

Cheers,

Bruce

I second that motion. You guys can actually manage to confuse somebody that is trying to follow this verbatim. By the time they get to the end of thread, their has been too much additive synthesis to the original idea. Additional points that backup spherics posts are great as they help understand the same concept from multiple perspectives. But I have heard the man practically scream NO IRON ANYWHERE more than once and you guys are building iron coils? wtfita? I think you circuit building guys have too many options to play with and gets lost in the complicated translation.

FWIW. I am going to approach this from a musical point of view.  This gives me full control over frequency and phase as well as on the fly adjustments. I only have two channels to work with now so I will have to daisy chain an additional card before I can fire 4 coils up. As far as watts...Why in the world can't you just use a DC car audio amplifier? They're perfect...4 channels...the one I have is 2500 Watts. If you need more juice, just turn up the boost. HPF and LPFs built in as well. Maybe quit trying to build the blender everytime you want to try a new cocktail mix and just go buy a blender. If anyone has the means to try an audio approach, I have a nice simple phase adjuster as a dx/vst plugin as well as several software synths with square wave generators built in.

Feynman

Music is a good approach but it will give you an upper limit of 20khz




EMdevices

Bruce,  thanks for the effort in drawing that diagram, but I don't see any resemblance to SM's first TPU.  In fact I don't think we should even bring up the name of Steven Mark on anything that is presented in this thread.  Spherics ideas are perhaps related to SM by the word ROTATE only, but then so are motors and wheels.

Then I have to wonder at this statement, just like poynt99 did:
Quote...Simply the correct arrangement of coils pulsed with the correct timing and the correct NMR of FE harmonics..

Why are we pulsing at NMR harmonics for Iron  (FE), if we use no iron in the design? Spherics said that originally, I know.  like tao quoted:

QuoteThe NMR is directly linked to this geometric spacing and hence to the resonant frequency of the ether.

This spherics guy seems to think NMR is based on geometry and spacing of atoms etc, and this shows how much he knows.   Perhaps he can answer the question why the NMR frequency is not FIXED and changes with a BIAS H field, or did he even know that.


Then spherics HINTS that SM discovered his "KICK" by playing with delay lines and bifilar speaker coils, well,  this  conflicts with what SM says himself, who's right?

QuoteI originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers...   ..
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase.....

Just like GK said,  the closer we get the louder the noise....... 

EM

poynt99

QuoteMany of you are confusing his design with SM's early TPU.

Actually, spherics is confusing his own design with SM's designs.

SM DOES NOT configure his kicker coils in the tetrahedral fashion spherics describes for his own design....period!

@ Bruce,

Which version are you trying to depict with your drawing, SM's or spherics'?

spherics' design doesn't use the iron delay line, and SM's coils are not configured that way, so I would say you might want to go back and read both SM's and spherics' posts. In both cases, your drawing would be in error.

btw, spherics is the one that departed from SM's design, and we are trying to understand it from his point of view, not change it.

@ EM,

I think spherics has hit on several key points of great value, aside from rotation, but I agree that there are too many inconsistencies to drop everything and start building it until several points are clarified.
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

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