Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !

[plengo]

@nightlife

I am not saying that, I am repeating what Bedini himself said about his coils. He explicit say it is NOT BEMF but gravity waves that are extracted when coil is energized, not when after energizing (BEMF). I think it is difficult to understand too but he must have good reasons to say that. Check it out at the old and now defunced Bedini_SG group at yahoo.

Fausto.

[BEP]

@Earl

I've decided to agree with you on the purpose of the two toroids (chokes). The practice is just too common and practical. However, I keep running into a stumbling block.

Those two chokes, the main body of smallest TPU and what I believe is the second TPU and the choke on top of the smallest TPU all have one aspect I haven't seen on chokes used as low-pass filters. At the point where the wire turns bend - the bend is unusually sharp - as if the wire isn't laid upon the common rounded edge found on such cores.

While some of these things I see may be due to poor video quality I have the opinion that some have an unusual wafer/spacer like material between the conductor and the core. In some shots it even looks as though there is no core but only a form.

I've replaced hundreds of such chokes and have many variations in my junk-box. None have those characteristics, even when my eyes have been focused by a liquid lunch.

In the past I've seen things others can't and not seen what others see so - am I off-base here?

[Jdo300]

thanks for that info Jason, it sounds interesting.

My take on this is quite simple.    It works in conductors as well.  It's a type of eddy current phenomenon perhaps.

Here's an illustration.  Note that due to the relative velocity between a magnetic vector and charge carriers,  they are imparted a force and a current occurs normal to the disk.   This is calculated as (j = k(v x B)), where 'v' is the velocity of the charge relative to the magnetic field 'B', and 'k' a constant(conductivity).  This current density is labeled as 'j', and integrated over a surface would give the curent 'i' in amps.    Now this current further interacts with the magneitc field, and if you do a (j x B) calculation, it results in a vector labled 'F' , or  force on the charge carriers that is imparted by the rotating magnetic vector.  So it's a type of drag, and there has to be slip or it doesn't work  (slip is relative velocity between the charge carriers draged along and the rotating B vector)  In a conductor, this results in actual drag on the disk (you can physicaly spin the disk)   the same as in an AC motor.

An intersting thing to note is that the ultimate direction for the drag is the same for (+) or (-) charges.   The actual charge that moves depends on the type of material and what the charge carriers it has.  I'm sure there are finer details to the actual motion of the charges, but this should give a good idea what's involved. 

EM

Hey EM,

Great Analysis there! That got me thinking quite a bit and also reminded me of some other interesting information I found (will bring that up in a moment). The first thing I thought about based on your analogy is how the disk would want to physically spin with the field (just like a normal AC motor). But what happens if you fix the disk so that it can't spin? Does the rotating field produce a circumferentially directed DC current in the disk? If this is the case, then this may be the answer to how the TPU works, and also the reason why it would get hot while running!

As a further note to possibly corroborate what I'm thinking, check out this diagram here:

It came from this page here which was talking about magnetic field therapy:
http://educate-yourself.org/gw/gwpulsedmagtherapyaug8.shtml

Also, here's the paragraph which describes the diagram:

Consider Figure 5, which illustrates the type of motion a charged particle executes when it is placed in a crossed electric and magnetic field. In Figure 5 the magnetic field is at right angles to the plane of the page (perpendicular) and the electric field is in the plane of the page.

This is not exactly the same as what we are talking about, but is another possible way that DC could be produced on the collector. Only in this case, we would need an electrostatic bias...

God Bless,
Jason O

[BEP]

@Jdo300

It looks like you are on to something interesting. Are you aware Halbach arrays have been used by the plasma folks for acceleration and spin?

Your recent posts remind me of the old watthour meter again. An oldtimer once told me they would spin at high speed if the braking magnet was removed.

[comp-tech]

Hello all,

I thought that it could be interesting to compare what Jack said with the Steven Mark's Frases. I found it quite interesting, so here it is: (it is long but there might be something useful there).

Steven Mark?s TPU ? Important phrases
1. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to
achieve the demonstrated results.
2. I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one
moment in time to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the
designers. (he?s talking about the exploding tv set in Chicago)
3. Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is what it does you know.
4. In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a
wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are
caused to flow in it.
This was explained because the earth?s magnetic field exerted some
influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on
the surface of the wire.
5. The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth?s magnetic
field to produce a small kick. (Morgan Jones book, valve amplifiers. 3rd edition,
page 262)
6. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth
and simple electrons running through wires
7. They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it. Then
I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on?
There in this lies the secret my friend.
8. So the meter displays that there is OBVIUOSLY a LARGE magnetic field inside the coil!!!!
9. So, it aint batteries and it aint radio waves, but it is electron flow of a high
order creating a large magnetic field. Or vice versa? Ha,Ha!!!
10. About the flame like discharge.Yes it does cause RF burns.
I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would
take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!

11. Yes, toroidal transformers have some very weird factors. Study the strange
factors.
12. Your interest in harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things.
But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic
resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does
my power unit.
13. Has anyone ever read the reports about our experiments with what was
called, the magnetic shadow casting material?
Those experiments tie in with to our development of the power unit.
14. I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However they do look like it.
15. Yes there is an inertia.
16. Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
17. Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
18. Yes Norbert, we did try them south of the equator, they work in reverse.
Can someone tell me why?
19. Yes there is a rotating field which causes electrons to flow in copper wire and be used to provide useful work force. There are many wires perpendicular to the main collector. This is a necessary part of the device.
20. You could describe the usable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
It really doesn?t have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
21. The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end. The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick. I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few seconds for
the coil to begin function at maximum effort

22. You see, one little kick amounts to nothing. However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick . .
23. I originally got the idea from electron circuits which us vacuum rectifiers like
the 5U4 GB
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or 5AR4 etc. ?? except when the two transformers get slightly out
of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one
another. ??. What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger
kick at the output.
24. When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together
I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario
of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they
are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a
collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.
25. The destructive heating caused by eddy currents, become the problem we
face when we make a really large powerful coil. Now you understand more
about the heating problem and why a fan doesn?t work.
26. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used vacuum tubes in his most
powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
27. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for some very
interesting thing I will mention to you some other time?..
28. In that book (?Lightning in his hand? by Nicola Tesla) it is related that Tesla
states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire travelling
in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single
wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right.
29. He (Tesla) noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively
sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. However
one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably.
It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting
to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn?t it?
30. He acquired better magneto meters and his research found that you could tune the magneto meters to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was usable power.

However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow.
31. If you had a short wire and you move the magnet across it, you would always
have limited potential because the length of the wire was so short.
Ok, now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length ,
even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a
much greater potential flow of power available.
If we out it into perspective of power per inch, it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire 12 inches long, it can generate an electron flow equal to let?s say 1 milivolt per inch.
If you move the magnetic 12 inches at the same speed , you get 12 milivolts
as you transgress the 12 inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principle that you can understand for use in the future. So you have a wire 12 inches long, and you can make 12 milivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it, you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 milivolts let?s say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power
with a weak magnetic force. Ok, how does this help us? Where am I going with this? Suppose you have 1000 pieces of wire 12 inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time??. You get the same flow of electrons. If the wires are run in series , then you will get the 12,000 milivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel, you will get a higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
32. If you know how to find a circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
33. How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to
generate large usable amounts of power.
34. My units behave exactly like common radios in one way.
U tune your radio to the station you desire and the closer you tune to the ideal
frequency, the stronger the amplification of the signal will be, and the better
the radio will collect and amplify the signals.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.

35. My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are
tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the centre frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
36. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collects coils circumference.
Frequencies are directly related to the circumference (obvod) of the collector coil.
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for
amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
37. It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the
collector will instantly destroy it.
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to
make the thing properly work.
38. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn, that is why the control
units are so very important.
39. By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the
centre of the unit?
Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very
slowly. It speeds up faster and faster until it just stops. When it stops the unit is always operation at about its design maximum. We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect.
40. Instead, the TV just stumbled for one millisecond on the correct combination
of frequencies necessary to cause the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
41. I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from
during an atomic explosion. It is something else to think about. Perhaps in
connection with my power technology.
42. The very first example I gave you was that; it is common scientific knowledge
that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it, you will have
a small kick when first energized. The kick is universally attributed to the earths
magnetic field.
Ok, the point is; YOU CAN GET SOME ENERGY OUT OF THE EARTH.
Next point; YOU CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE WITH A WIRE TO SHOW THIS
Next point; YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET MORE OUT OF A PIECE OF WIRE THAN YOU PUT INTO IT

We are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a
primary to secondary flux. We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electron and a method of measuring what comes out of it.
43. I told you that the simplest form of over unity is a piece of wire and a voltage
source. Anyone can actually connect it and measure.
See for yourself the kick. No coil no transformers, just a kick.
44. I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to
make many several thousands of kicks per second?.. and you know what, it isn?t difficult at all.
45. To further our discussion, the reason you cannot use small transformers within or in close at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of
magnetic flux.
46. tao
47. Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter. There are exact
points of interest 9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate.
9: Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet. I don?t
remember anyone answering this to your or Mr.Mark?s satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the strength of the magnet, but rather
the SPEED and distance at which the magnet is moved across the wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet a small piece of wire at the speed
of a gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage spike in that little
piece of wire. Conversely, if you could move that wire crossways through even
a weak magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid. He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his garage
with two lamps), he may be banging two opposed coils simultaneously with
spikes,, with the magnet forcing one direction, for the sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the ?magnetic flux North? (for the
lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250 times
per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo magnets in
an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.
13: When we look at the earth?s magnetic field, there are some weird things to
look at. Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate flux lines into a Mark device? Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field. However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a small
battery (who cares if there is a battery ? that point is moot when you look at
the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast as the bullet from a high
powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per second.
That is the key and it takes very little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device?s strange reaction to physical movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the speed at which the magnetic
flux moves.
48. Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a
magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things
suddenly change?
49. Also, #17, YES
17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful
magnetic vortex? Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?
50. I am pleased that you can clearly see the turbine?.
The interesting thing is how with the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving with inertia!
51. Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more
energy than the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not
make much difference?. There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.
Perhaps a smaller one is safer because the only thing that will stop a red
collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver. IE. The wires
all burn up.
52. We built many, many units with various combinations of collectors during out
experimental days.
53. About the collector: It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved (neprokladane). Three is important. You can do many things with three coils.
You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large
power units if need be. The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
54. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch.
??. A heat sensor buried within the collector coil.
Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures
over voltage.
55. You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose.
Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. and you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons
through the collector coils.
56. Talking about the exploding tv set again:
I was trying to show among other things that there HAS to BE power from
somewhere!!! And this power has to be available all the time, everywhere.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from
the earth?s magnetic field. We believed that mainly because it is the obvious
choice. However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where
the power comes from.
57. Has anyone an explanation for the Oregon vortex?
58. After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already
sent you enough information to dupplicate my power units

59. By the way we found that ordinary multi strand lamp cable worked very well for use as a collector.
First the heavy gauge wire isn?t as efficient as the multi strand copper and also
there is safety advantage in using the multi strand lamp cable.
60. If the unit goes too far on frequency it may begin to convert too much current
and try to dissipate way too much voltage.
61. Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two 9v batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the solid state control circuit.
62. Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.There need to be three of them all the way around. Start them up one at a time each. First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
63. When you eventually strike the cord look out. You will know what has happened at that point. In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.
64. In many of our designs we use three coils as the collector.
They can be run parallel to give higher current lower voltage output at excitation. They can be run in series to create high voltage, lower current when reaching the point of excitation.
We have used other multiples of run of wire as well in various units contruction.
65. Most of the successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.
They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.
They were run in multiple segments.
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a
collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
66. Please remember that I told you from the beginning that electron tube circuits work much more precisely then solid state units. Especially when first experimenting. Solid state circuits are very dirty and imprecise.
67. He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the
destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection.
68. #1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operatingconditions of SS devices.
#2. Soldering the components at least ? inch above the board itself isessential to making a good SS control out of discrete devices.
#3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!
69. Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the
operating coil?
Listen: when these units get going they FUCK with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. They have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down.
In most cases they will not even start up.
70. TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS (Solid State) control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate.
71. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easier to make one of these
things work if you use tubes as a control system rather than SS devices.
72. BUT, I guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector??aren?t they?
They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I?m not saying it is impossible, but it will be damn difficult for these guys to get more than a big bang once in a while.
73. It should be a lot easier to use tubes to strike the right cord and develop the
right sound to make the best sound.
74. If the unit generates more heat than power you are safe because it will
destroy itself long before it blows up.
We worked on that theory for a long time at UEC.
75. Lamp wire is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier.
76. I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high frequencies?..

77. I have a three channel system I listen to. Sometimes the three channels
combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
78. Gosh, the reason I just hate transistors is because they are so slow and
generate so much distortion!!!
79. Did you know that electron transit times in some tubes approach the speed of
light ?
80. I have designed some amps using MOSFET, etc. which sound very much like
tube amps.
However when I want to design a new amp I always start with tubes and
when I get them perfected I move on the MOSFETS?
81. I made an amp and had really difficult time with a 35k resonance. I had so
much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there. I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level. It is a good thing I can?t hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245
KHz. Which I measured.
82. HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker?s
circumference? It appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.
83. I use 15? speakers myself. They are 15? from the dead center of the outside
flange to the other side flange.
84. I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way
that passing the sound barrier was accomplished. Read how engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing design to accomplish supersonic speed in aircraft. I hope it will give you a picture of what going on inside the generator and especially the collector
85. Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000
miles an hour. The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is let?s say a figure of ten.
It will never become more than our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and It?s final dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example: Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well. Do you see how different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment?..Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another canon travelling at 1000 miles an hour?. Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the canon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on? The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold! The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
86. A long time ago, I said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an
automobile it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and
fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door
and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for
conversion.
87. Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge
amounts of energy. Even electrons??
88. Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of the magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effect of the flux? My unit operates on these principles. Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. Electrons at the speed of light are now a possibility!
89. How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?
90. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how
they interact?..
91. They also have no concept of how important the control frequencies are in
order to make power from the collector.