A truly overunity Transformer / Meg

[Kator01]

Hello all,

some time ago I got these transformers from our dump here in the little town i live  ( southern germany).

I have four of them. They are very rare because transformer for bigger Neon-Istallations use a different technique.

These big boys create two times 4000 Volt  at 40 mA !

The two coils at the bottom are the primary coils and just above it in the center ( see pic 2 in an extra post) you have a short piece of laminated core wich can be mechanically driven in and out  ( between the the main-core ) by the black knob thus modulating the flux by gradually shorting it . In this way the power-out is controlled. This is an old techique and is doing in a steady way what the proposed MEG is doing in a dynamic way.Some time ago I was buying a new one of the company of the last series they produced. But this new one is sealed completely in ceramic material. So when I got these four from the dump I was very happy and I was pondering the last two months what to do with it.

Yesterday I had another look at these black boys and then I saw the possibility to use these transformers for the MEG. I only have to cut off the core below the primaries, then remove the primaries, attach the magnets and close the loop with the cut-off-part of the core.

Now I have an idea how to switch the flux exacty  at the point where the mechanical movable bar is situated.
The only thing I am not sure about is if this core-material ( laminated core for 50 Hz-Application ) is suitable for this. If this works I could minimize the effort because I dont have to produce the secondaries.

What do you think ?

Regards

Kator

[Kator01]

Hello all,

here is pic2 showing the details of the mechanical flux-modulation.

Regards

Kator

[gyulasun]

Hmm but if he is only using one side of the half wave sine then he can not be using a 'push pull'(not really pull) configuration. Since then you would need half part of the sine wave on each side of the device.

But damn, I'm confused I mean in my test I am having a very hard time to get efficient workings with anything that is constantly powered by one polarity like half wave. Even with a big cap on top.

Hmm

Hi Steven,

I underlined your text above I would like to address.  I attached an picture from Getca what I edited for showing a push-pull set-up how I think the postive half wave on the left side and the negative half wave of the same cycle on the right side would control the magnetic shunts, I just mean the principle.  This way the missing any one half wave is joined in the output coil,  and there will be no lost half waves,  at least this is how I think, (maybe I am wrong).

This driving principle could be valid for this push-pull setup shown here by Getca: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg134494#msg134494 

What do you all think?

rgds,  Gyula

Edit: maybe the polarities of PM3 and PM4 are wrong but you understand what I meant.

[Nali2001]

Hi Gyula,
Yes that indeed is a way to drive one such a device.
But if he indeed uses only one part of the half wave your design could not be used since that once needs on each side half of the ac sine.

And in my opinion design http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4300.msg134494#msg134494 could work just as well without airgap.
If driven that each side gets half wave ac each 180degree part of the sine ac.

Just for you who have never seen it, see that attached System.doc file for some info, crappy translation though.
And note the odd placement of the magnet, think about it. It's odd, when the Loop core saturates the fied from the magnet is supposed to go to the output side...?

Also try to follow his calculations in the attached: Calculations.doc

[gyulasun]

Hi Steven,

Well I think some small but important details are still unknown for us but sooner or later we learn.

Re on air gap: I think air gap(s) are a good thing for controlling the amount of maximum flux permissable for a given core so maybe the setup in message #134494 could work without gaps you have a simple but effective flux control means for the permanent magnets to avoid saturation in the output cores.

rgds,  Gyula