HHO ON DEMAND BY PERENDEV

[22350]

me too.... and my new design will shake the foundations of heaven.  or it won't work.

[rbr_dc]

looks like a bad point in time to ask for info. just joined the forum myself and have become very interested in hydrogen production for home use. (my home, my use)
I do find it very puzzling how we ask for the right to own a technology from a government that will not give you the right to prosper from it.... how long has this "free energy" concept been around? How many inventers can you name that prospered and became rich? how many can you name that went silent or just went away?
the only way this concept will spread around the world is through places like this, not e-bay. They can stop you from selling stuff but they can't stop the spread of information.  The world will know who did what, or who invented what gizmo. and for the one that builds a system that everyone can duplicate and shares that with all, well, that name will forever be spoken throughout history.
I believe that in our lifetime, no one will not see such profits ($) from this idea, well, not as long as oil exists.  the best thing that can happen is for every one to keep experimenting until in the end everyone is working on the same devise, same configuration, same results... perfection.  Everyone will know where it came from.

[glassman]

I think that there is a nice balance that can happen if we are show some respect to developers. I don't know if anyone will get rich on any of these ideas.  But maybe a developer could make enough to leave his day job and devote more time to development.  But if other people take their developments and don't let those developers profit a little from their ideas, then they won't have the time and funds needed to continue developing and testing.

It's not so much about getting rich as much as it is about helping the developments to keep moving forward.  And it takes money to do that.

glassman

[Athopi]

Bull....!!!  Not everyone has a shop set-up to make these. People living in apts., those who are mechanically disinclined, and people not interested in spending their time making one will need to have a source to buy one or six. Nothing wrong with a guy getting his dues if he's got a nifty spin on it and keeps it honest.

I'm also concerned with people not delivering what they say and giving the whole "industry" a bad rep. Outrageous, unsupported  claims, poor communications and long delivery times will kill word-of-mouth business

I, and as I'm sure many of you, am really rather unimpressed with most of whats on Ebay. It's a good bit of the reason I'm trying to build something better. Something I'd like to buy for my car. Serious experimenting in this field can quickly cost you some big bucks. I don't begrudge anyone capitalising on the opportunity to cash in for their insight and hard work. But, I do hope, that someone is me!

[Happyhydrogen]

I have to side with Dallas on this one.

He has been very open to everyone about his design.  He hasn't minded sharing his results and design and has been very open to helping people replicate his results.  But if everyone ripping people off from the getgo, where the developer is open and shares, you are going to force people into a state where they don't want to share anymore.  The information Dallas is sharing here is important to share in forums like this because it helps to eliminate the chance that these technologies will dissappear.  But they will also disappear if we scare the innovators into a code of silence and they take the info to their graves.  It's not like he is asking all of you to not make one yourself.  He is only asking you to not steal his design to make a quick buck off of it.  Just because the concept is easily replicatable doesn't mean you aren't ripping the guy off.  You know you are ripping off his design. 

I'm all for open source, but lets not force the innovators into hidding information either.

glassman

The government planned on closing the patent office in the early 1900's becuase everything that could have been invented...has been invented.
Information is great, action is better...Cash is king.

Let's think about patents for a second:

1. Two people come to the table with the same idea.
2. One person has more cash and lawyers
3. The probable inventor loses.

You might as well make your shit fast, make it cheap (within reason), and flood the shit out of the market. Consumerism is the past-time of the majority of Americans, and their consumerism is the definition of their acceptance. The person that sells the shit / widget / item...that is the person that is remembered...Most likely becuase he was able to dumb it down and aleviate fear and tame the mob. I don't give a shit who wins the race to a sustainable economy. I just want to be in it. If you think that inventors feel like they are being threatened...think of a random human on the street who talks to everyone he sees about this stuff trying to educate people, and of course sell them cells and get this movement moving...but someone is threatening that person with fraudelent claims of patent ripoff when one doesn't even exist...or wasn't provided in the complaint anyways.

What is the difference between the seller being harrassed and the inventor being copied? Neither of them knew the other person existed. Think about that. If a bear shits in the woods, does my mom smell it at home? Besides, it's not the point. The point is massive / broad acceptance of this technology, and proper safety and methods to apply it for consumer needs. The quicker that this technology permeates every corner till the point of even 'silent' acceptance that it works...then we aren't doing shit. So god bless the salesman, becuase though the inventor prints papers and fiddles in the lab...the salesperson is the one that gets called a 'warlock' and gets put the fire...becuase he is the face of the item.

And of course, Ideas are great, but they don't put food on your plate.