John Hutchison Needs Your Help

[Feynman]

We've already got enough government. . .  They can't even keep the roads paved!   

[SeanTheLight]

Regarding a warehouse for john to conduct his research, you are acting indignant about a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of a LOCAL governments resources. Providing only a space to someone who potentially could not only attract other science-based businesses, but the attention/good will of the world community. At a monthly expense of $1,500  in Los angeles (thats actually pretty high for a warehouse), it makes complete sense to subsidize, for the good of the local and world community. Is rent so much more expensive in canada that this system does not work there? Is the equivelant to a minimum wage check each month, really an unbearable expense on a system that is thriving in kickbacks and corruption? Do you blame socialist programs like general relief or welfare, for the economic condition of USA? How much of the USA wealth is being channeled into these socialist programs, and how much of it is disappearing into an endless black hole of wealth acquisition?

Federal Reserve smells like greed and old money, no wonder the US economy is in a recession, headed towards depression. Good news for John is, as our economy crumbles, rent will be cheap and surplus items should be readily available. Maybe the low cost of living in a 2nd world country like USA, combined with access to intelligent amateurs, is what is attracting him here? I dunno. I've been considering moving to canada to get out of the fire, but the complacency of every world government indicates its a systemic problem, not a local one.

The founding fathers made sure to include the right to bear arms in constitution so that the us government would always be fearful that if they didn't work for the people, the people would rise up and overthrow them. This was the ultimate check/balance system in USA. But an armed rebellion will only cycle the same form of government. After all, this country was founded by terrorists (with good intentions, terrorists always have good intentions, for their own), in secession from its ruling government, and the laws that came with it. They seemed to have good intentions.....freemasons or not, but in the end, violent upheaval ends with the same systems in place. If a good man commits horrible acts in the name of good, that act is no longer good. The end does not justify the means.

So as society, it is not our place to fight with anger against those who rule us as tyrants. It is our responsibility to find a system that works better for everyone, and then put that system in place non-violently. You can only justify violence if it is in direct defense of your physical self, committed directly to the person threatening you, at the time they are threatening you. And even then, you must weigh the amount of threat you are receiving. Would you raise a sword to defend yourself from the words of an angry man? There is no justice in that, no good can come of it.


So after that rant, lets get back on topic. John hutchison in california. He may possibly find easy access to other amateurs and their labs, or he may find he has stepped out of the boiling pot, and into the inferno. I doubt highly that he believes the US government is any less corrupt than the canadian govt., so its either a personal issue (my homeland rejects me? fuck em then), or an issue of potential cost/resources.

Either way, if my city put prop h on the ballot, to pay $1000 of city taxes per month to make a lab available to him, i would vote it into law.

[utilitarian]

Regarding a warehouse for john to conduct his research, you are acting indignant about a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of a LOCAL governments resources. Providing only a space to someone who potentially could not only attract other science-based businesses, but the attention/good will of the world community. At a monthly expense of $1,500  in Los angeles (thats actually pretty high for a warehouse), it makes complete sense to subsidize, for the good of the local and world community. Is rent so much more expensive in canada that this system does not work there? Is the equivelant to a minimum wage check each month, really an unbearable expense on a system that is thriving in kickbacks and corruption? Do you blame socialist programs like general relief or welfare, for the economic condition of USA? How much of the USA wealth is being channeled into these socialist programs, and how much of it is disappearing into an endless black hole of wealth acquisition?

Federal Reserve smells like greed and old money, no wonder the US economy is in a recession, headed towards depression. Good news for John is, as our economy crumbles, rent will be cheap and surplus items should be readily available. Maybe the low cost of living in a 2nd world country like USA, combined with access to intelligent amateurs, is what is attracting him here? I dunno. I've been considering moving to canada to get out of the fire, but the complacency of every world government indicates its a systemic problem, not a local one.

The founding fathers made sure to include the right to bear arms in constitution so that the us government would always be fearful that if they didn't work for the people, the people would rise up and overthrow them. This was the ultimate check/balance system in USA. But an armed rebellion will only cycle the same form of government. After all, this country was founded by terrorists (with good intentions, terrorists always have good intentions, for their own), in secession from its ruling government, and the laws that came with it. They seemed to have good intentions.....freemasons or not, but in the end, violent upheaval ends with the same systems in place. If a good man commits horrible acts in the name of good, that act is no longer good. The end does not justify the means.

So as society, it is not our place to fight with anger against those who rule us as tyrants. It is our responsibility to find a system that works better for everyone, and then put that system in place non-violently. You can only justify violence if it is in direct defense of your physical self, committed directly to the person threatening you, at the time they are threatening you. And even then, you must weigh the amount of threat you are receiving. Would you raise a sword to defend yourself from the words of an angry man? There is no justice in that, no good can come of it.


So after that rant, lets get back on topic. John hutchison in california. He may possibly find easy access to other amateurs and their labs, or he may find he has stepped out of the boiling pot, and into the inferno. I doubt highly that he believes the US government is any less corrupt than the canadian govt., so its either a personal issue (my homeland rejects me? fuck em then), or an issue of potential cost/resources.

Either way, if my city put prop h on the ballot, to pay $1000 of city taxes per month to make a lab available to him, i would vote it into law.

Are you a teenager or something?  Because if you are, that would explain your views.

Look, if you want him to have a lab so much, you pay for it, ok?  Or take up a private collection, so those who want to give, can give.  Or maybe he can just get a job and pay his own bills like EVERYBODY ELSE.  Just don't force the taxpayers to foot the bill.

[SeanTheLight]

I'm sorry utilitarian, did something I say offend you? I didn't realize I merited a specific insult from the local disinfo crew. It's sad that when someone voices beliefs that are in line with a greater good for humanity, they are deemed unfit for society for one reason or another, and brushed aside. Do you honestly relate a desire for a common good, with the ignorance of youth? There are many documented stories of grown men fighting against corruption for greater good. I'll skip over all the modern ones and go back to one of the big ones......Jesus of nazareth. If Jesus was alive today, can you imagine the responses he would be getting from people like utilitarian, koen, et al. "You want to do WHAT?! WHY?! Are you stupid?!"

When did a desire for a common good, become laughably naive? What is the final outcome of a system that is designed to reward greed and hurtful practices? Why have you chosen to insult me instead of posting on the topic at hand?

-edit-
If you guys are disinfo crew, the CIA has shitty recruiting.     

Perhaps saying things just to get a response, is not the best way for me to go about acquiring information, I apologize on many levels for that statement.
-/edit-

[Koen1]

There are many documented stories of grown men fighting against corruption for greater good. I'll skip over all the modern ones and go back to one of the big ones......Jesus of nazareth. If Jesus was alive today, can you imagine the responses he would be getting from people like utilitarian, koen, et al. "You want to do WHAT?! WHY?! Are you stupid?!"

I seriously resent and object to that remark on several levels! 
First of all, you are directly implying I am or would be in support of corruption and against "the greater good".
This is a totally unfounded and incorrect implication and I find that personally insulting!
Second, you are directly implying that I am opposed to the Christian religion and its related humanitarian cause,
which is also a completely false accusation and equally insulting as I protagonise freedom of speech, religion, and thought.
Third, you are implying that I would intentionally insult Christ which is simply an outrageous accusation,
and even if taken in broader perspective you are still implying I would intentionally insult people who present
a positive humanitarian contributions to society as a whole on an interpersonal level, and/or people who oppose
corruption. Any of these implications are incorrect, unfounded, and insulting, in my opinion!

When did a desire for a common good, become laughably naive? What is the final outcome of a system that is designed to reward greed and hurtful practices? Why have you chosen to insult me instead of posting on the topic at hand?

One: I have not insulted you in any way! You are the one insulting me!

Two: It is not your desire for a "common good" which is considered naive. If you read carefully you fill see nobody has ridiculed "the common good",
nor attacked you for that. It is your somewhat oversimplistic and naive attitude towards governments having to pay for peoples private research
that provoked some response.
It would be nice if governments would just offer free facilities for anyone who wants to do some research or experiments; I could sure use a good
new lab area with an uderpressured chemistry workbench incl air filters etc, and if the government would just pick up the tab I'd have one in no time.
But perhaps while we're at it we should give housing to the homeless, food to the hungry, and medicine to the sick?
But why stop there? Why not make everything free for everybody?
Oh, right, because the current system is based on capitalist priciples and everyone needs to work in exchange for his housing, food and medicine,
and those who profit most from the system keep it firmly in place. We are living a modern hi-tech version of the old medieval feudal society, the
ruling classes have just found better ways to make us believe we are not.
You cannot blame us for pointing out that your optimistic view is slightly unrealistic in the current circumstances.
Well, you can, but it would not be correct.  

Do not mistake realistic and rational objections for dismissal of your utopian ideology.