OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

[nul-points]

pretty sure it can't work that way, but good luck with that

what are you referring to here?  Abba Rue's question about ionic flow?  my answer?

good luck with what?


hey, i want some of what you've been drinking this holiday!! 

all the best
s.

[poynt99]

@poynt99I think it should be clarified that the capacitor 50% rule only applies in one circumstance, this does not mean it applies in every circumstance-----there is a very big difference. For instance using an large self-inductance coil and a switch I can charge a capacitor to 400v from a 12v source battery in one single pulse, now how can this 50% rule apply when I have charged the capacitor 388v above the source voltage?. Now what do you think the system efficiency is when you consider the fact that 376v on the capacitor can be returned back to the source? Your rules only apply if you keep doing the same thing over and over, thankfully many here no longer subscribe to that kind of mentality---- we do things a little different .

From this response it doesn't appear you've been reading or maybe not understanding what's been posted previously here.

Also, with a coil and battery, anyone can easily charge a capacitor to a voltage much higher than the starting voltage, and in one shot. Is this really a novel feat? No. Is this overunity? No. Have I done it? Yes. Does this mean an efficiency greater than 100% has been achieved? No. Is it an efficiency greater than 50%? In most cases, Yes.

@Grumpy If E=CV² then yes more energy is "transferred" to the capacitor---and more energy is conserved within the system by utilizing a minimum of components. The faster the voltage is stepped up the faster losses can be reduced, everyone seems to want free energy ----I just want to conserve the energy I have first and then I will worry about the "free stuff"  .

In all cases, does a higher end-voltage on the capacitor really mean higher energy than what you started with? Could you give an example with numbers? Thanks.

.99

[Grumpy]

what are you referring to here?  Abba Rue's question about ionic flow?  my answer?

good luck with what?


hey, i want some of what you've been drinking this holiday!! 

all the best
s.

You previously posted:

if you construct it with a dielectric which can support ion flow, not just electron polarisation
  eg. water in its liquid phase can exhibit both these properties - in its solid phase the ion flow reduces significantly


all the best
s.

You may want to read up on dielectrics and ions. 

If a dielectric supports ion flow but not electron flow - it is a simi-conductor and not a true dielectric.  Dielectrics do not permit electron or ion flow unless the undergo breakdown and become conductive then they are no longer dielectrics.

[Grumpy]

@poynt99I think it should be clarified that the capacitor 50% rule only applies in one circumstance, this does not mean it applies in every circumstance-----there is a very big difference. For instance using an large self-inductance coil and a switch I can charge a capacitor to 400v from a 12v source battery in one single pulse, now how can this 50% rule apply when I have charged the capacitor 388v above the source voltage?. Now what do you think the system efficiency is when you consider the fact that 376v on the capacitor can be returned back to the source? Your rules only apply if you keep doing the same thing over and over, thankfully many here no longer subscribe to that kind of mentality---- we do things a little different .

Doing this, you st ill have not increased the voltage applied to the capacitor - which was 400v not 12v.

I'm sure everyone is getting tired of the "we do things different" babble when it is wrong.

@ EVERYONE

What is a capacitor? and how does it work?

[AbbaRue]

I always remember that a capacitor exchanges time for energy.
If a capacitor takes 10 s to charge and you discharge it in 1 s you have about 10x the energy.
Now if we can find a way to slow time down for the capacitor while keeping our selves in a regular time flow. 

As for ionic flow in a capacitor maybe this does happen in electrolytic capacitors to some extent.
In an electrolytic capacitor one of the plates is a liquid Aluminum hydroxide used to be used.
I don't know if they still use it in the modern ones. Easy to find out though just google it.

As far as dielectrics go: I always wondered what would happen if you used a semiconductor in place of it in a capacitor.
I mean using the opposite semiconductor to the charge on a plate, so current wants to flow towards each plate.