OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

[nul-points]

hi alan, thanks for the comment - yes, i think we're all agreed that in Gyula's quote, Tesla is talking about magnification of power by adjusting the period in which a constant amount of energy is discharged

i thought i'd seen a reference to Tesla stating that he could draw energy from a source by means of a capacitance transferring a small amount at a fast rate and that this didn't deplete the source

this is what i was saying sounded like 'free energy' or OU

however, having seen Gyula's quote above,  i have to say either i saw that same quote originally, misunderstood it at the time & then misremebered it later - or i saw an edited quote which had wrongly summarised Tesla's words

whichever of these possibilities is true, it doesn't alter the fact that using a similar technique to Tesla (ie. switching charge from input to output via a capacitor, changing the periiod on the way) there is a definte Charge Anomaly in the experiment:
  total start charge: 2.4 Coulombs
  total end charge: 3.0 Coulombs

the results of this experiment are showing that the charge anomaly is accompanied by an Energy Anomaly:
  the circuit is handling more than 120% of the energy drawn from the input capacitor

this is true, whether or not it matches Tesla's description of his experience

[nul-points]

hi again AC!

thanks for your input here (things have moved on a little since that charge anomaly discussion at the 'Tesla Switch, need help' thread!)

in the power/duration trade-off, i guess we're seeing inertia acts like a 'gate' to the properties of a system:
  - tap the aether slow & light and a little energy is lent & then taken back, just a ripple in equilibrium, soon restored
  - hit the aether hard & fast and all hell breaks loose - inertia doesn't allow it to keep up and it's very fabric tears temporarily - interesting behaviour follows until it all finally snaps back into sync

any thoughts on the 'capacitive/charge inertia' parallel to 'inductive/current inertia' in reply#36 page 1?

[allcanadian]

@nul-points

any thoughts on the 'capacitive/charge inertia' parallel to 'inductive/current inertia' in reply#36 page 1?

I could say many things, but not nearly as well as the people I have come to respect in this field.
Henry T Moray had a very interesting though found here----http://www.rexresearch.com/beyond/beyond.htm

With the use of these oscillators and the oscillating effect of condensers which I have sometimes explained in the following way to those who are not acquainted with the back-rush effect of condensers, and which may serve to make my point now. When an elastic substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things happens. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations. Something of the same sort may also occur when an electrified condenser is discharged. In ordinary language there may be a continous flow of electricity in one direction until the discharge is completed, or if proper use of the condensers are made an oscillating discharge may occur. That is, the first flow may be succeeded by a back-rush, as if the first discharge had over run itself and something like a recoil set in. The condensers thus become more or less charged again in the opposite sense, and a second discharge occurs accompanied by a second back-rush, the oscillations going on until the energy is either radiated or used up in the heating of the conductors.

I think it is easier to see things as being mechanical in nature thus any motion must contain energy as momentum or inertia---but this inertia can only be utilized through a change in acceleration, prefferably in a load.

[NerzhDishual]

Hi guys,

I'm still here (from time to time).
Thanks to Sandy for his explanations about his coil(s).

I have just ordered six  5_Volts/1_Farad small caps
(7,10 Euros each) and other stuff.  These FE experiments are not really 'free'...

As soon as I receive my things and if my neuron is working, I test Sandy's CCT.
(CCT= CirCuiT).

>>>>> Have you checked this .doc file? It is from a German guy.
I do not remember where this file comes from.  It must be from overunity.com...

http://freenrg.info/Condos/The_Condenser_Problem.doc
(10 pages - pages 7-10 are the most important).

Best

[nul-points]

hi allcanadian and NerzhDishual

@AC
very interesting to read in more detail about Moray's work - containing first-hand accounts too. strangely, i'd never seen any of his writings or such detail of his devices before; i guess originally i saw a collection of similar sites with what looked like re-hashed newspaper articles and thought there was nothing more to be found, so i didn't follow it up - shame on me!

reading these accounts makes me wonder if all our talk of 'closing the loop' might be misleading us in our attempts to get self-sustaining operation in our various devices - i'm wondering if the 'loop' we should be closing should rather be a 'feedback' loop to sustain oscillation of energy between the 'aether'/vacuum medium and our own circuits

this approach would mean that we don't need to achieve large COP values >>1 in order to loop back, say, 1 unit of power to sustain our circuit and provide X units of power to our load

instead the initial COP would only need to be just slightly greater than 1 and the whole system would oscillate and start to handle greater amounts of energy - of course, this would also mean that we would need to provide some self-limiting capability at a defined power level of operation to prevent 'runaway'


@ND
yes, the cost of those 1F, 5V caps is a concern to me (i recently bought 3) - i guess i was too late in my email to suggest that you could probably use your 0.1F 'condos' instead?

it seems to me from your  http://freenrg.info  website that you have managed to achieve a great many things for a man with only one neuron

that Condenser .doc file is very interesting - it supports what we have both found about the charge anomaly when discharging one cap into another & using also about using inductance to achieve 'lossless' transfer (although i seem to remember it also says that by using large value caps you may not need inductance)

it questions where the extra charge could have been sourced, but unfortunately doesn't go on to look at the implications of the anomaly

allcanadian's quote from the Moray account talks of the 'backrush' oscillation of energy when discharging a cap and i'm wondering if what we've been able to achieve is a very slow oscillatory exchange of energy with the 'aether' (substitute name of favourite medium!), because of the very large values (hence large inertia) of our caps and what we're actually doing, at some point then, is  'decoupling' our output reservoir of energy obtained in the oscillation in such a way that it is then unable to flow back into the aether to restore equilibrium - we're stopping the energy 'pendulum', as it were, when it's over on our side of the balance position

as Aspden said, when describing the Adam's motor, we're 'taking out a loan from the universe's energy bank and refusing to pay it back!'

looking forward to seeing how your experiment goes!
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc