OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

[poynt99]

i understand what you're saying

i'm speaking for all of us: we need to test all our assumptions and, if possible, find cross-checks for the various measurements or calcs we produce

i hope you'll find that the information on my website and in this thread provides more complete and more quantifiable results than a great many which claim to be reporting overunity

all the best
s.

Sandy,

Absolutely. I like your style, and with a minor tweak here and there, you present a good model for others to follow.

It would be a great boon to the FE community if more people would strive to perform good basic Measurements as you have done. False alarms would be reduced to near zero, and credibility would soar. I'm all for learning, but most would gain "building-block" knowledge and learn faster if they took the time to understand what they are seeing before jumping to the next unfounded conclusion. Chances are excellent that if a "conventional explanation" exists for what one is observing, then that is more than likely what is really taking place.

This is not to say there are no "unknowns" left to explore, but it should be realized that they may not come along so easily. Being able to recognize what's normal and what's worth investigating in terms of FE research has its advantages. We are always able to satisfy ourselves much more easily that we've observed something anomalous, but we need to go a few steps further to be convincing to someone that is not so closely "attached" to the experiment. We must be our own scrutinizing skeptic.

Regards,
.99

[Magnethos]

Hey, look at my schematics:

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@Magnethos

interesting to see how you envision positive and negative resistance - thanks for posting your diagrams - comments anyone?

I also take your word for it that you believe you've measured 7V for C1. However, I believe that this is where the error is because 1) there is no scope shot showing C1 and C2 together exchanging charge at the rate you stated, and 2) it's more likely that an error will occur measuring this 7V threshold where timing is critical, as opposed to simply measuring a capacitor value.

I would very much like to see a scope shot of both C1 and C2 voltages as they discharge/charge respectively. That seems to be the most likely place for an error to occur.

It should be quite obvious because there seems to be a factor of 2 involved in the differences between your results and the sim. In the sim C1 discharges down to 7V after only about 4.5ms.

i'm posting a scope trace of voltage on C1 & C2 during a test run - this relates to the measured results for energy converted by the 10ohm load resistor, as given in the 'Latest' section of my website

you should note that the trace levels shown here are approx 1% less accurate (higher) than my DVM readings - closer values are:-
C1 initial voltage: 8.00v (measured value on DVM at which i started this test run)
   C1 final voltage: 7.01v (measured value on DVM at which this test run ended)
   C2 final voltage: 3.17v (adjusted by -1.25% from 3.21v, final C2 voltage on trace)

as you can see, the input voltage on C1 decreases from 8V to 7V in approx 9ms, as stated in the results posted for the test on my website

all the best
sandy
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[Magnethos]

Very good article about negative resistance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_resistance

Gabriel Kro's Negative Resistor

http://www.cheniere.org/images/meg/f6.jpg

[poynt99]

Sandy Thanks,

You may have something there then. In theory C1 should discharge at twice the rate it is in your setup. If you can figure out how it's doing this (I take it you haven't yet), then perhaps you can close the loop somehow. I don't know if it will be that easy in this setup however. Will have to think a bit on that.

I wonder why Dave was not able to get similar results? I'd say in general it's got to remain fairly inconclusive until another has achieved the same results with your guidance. Guess I will have to try this myself. Do you have coil construction specs?

On a side note; there are hundreds of SMPS designs out there, and none are ou. How could the development of these designs over all these years not have revealed any anomalies such as what you're seeing?

I can't help feeling that we're missing something.

Regards,
.99