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OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

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Grumpy

#250
January 05, 2009, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: poynt99 on January 05, 2009, 01:14:17 AM

I'm not sure what else I can say.

.99

Hey .99, question for you:  will a capacitor store a displacement current?
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poynt99

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January 05, 2009, 09:27:42 AM
Grumpy.

I don't know. This is one subject that gets debated from time to time.

Do you mean "flow through" vs. 'store"?

The DC theory does make sense, but I do not know if it has ever been proven one way or the other.

Why do you ask?

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Grumpy

#252
January 05, 2009, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: poynt99 on January 05, 2009, 09:27:42 AM
Grumpy.

I don't know. This is one subject that gets debated from time to time.

Do you mean "flow through" vs. 'store"?

The DC theory does make sense, but I do not know if it has ever been proven one way or the other.

Why do you ask?

.99

Let's say it can.  What would this imply?  What might one be able to do if this is the case?

Come on .99, have a drink with ol' Grumpy!
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poynt99

#253
January 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
I can only guess at what you may be thinking, so my guess is that if a capacitor can store displacement current, it does so in the form of electric charge (or flux), whereas our beloved inductor stores conduction current in the form of magnetic flux.

This might imply that the capacitor can be treated as an exact inverse of the inductor, such that a collapsing electric flux results in the reversal of built up displacement current, just as the collapsing of the magnetic field (built up current) around an inductor results in the reversal of the voltage across it.

Not sure if this is the parallel you were looking for...probably not.

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Grumpy

#254
January 05, 2009, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: poynt99 on January 05, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
I can only guess at what you may be thinking, so my guess is that if a capacitor can store displacement current, it does so in the form of electric charge (or flux), whereas our beloved inductor stores conduction current in the form of magnetic flux.

.99

Come on .99 - work with me here.

If a capacitor can store displacement current, when you send a very sudden impulse to a capacitor, you are applying the miniscule current in the wire plus the enormous displacement current produced by the sudden change.

Might this result in greater energy stored in the capacitor than you initially applied?
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