Hydrogen + buoyancy + depth = overunity?

[ramset]

WELL  as pointed out on his site the lift potential of hydrogen is what gives this badboy some horsepower  maybe elephant power [see him swim at the site] Chet PS the price for producing  hydrogen is dropping by the second [just visit DR STIFFLER's  thread]

[FreeEnergy]

i think ELSA had the same idea even before us
but who knows maybe it's been thought of even way back in time before ELSA and others.

from the ELSA thread:

[PulsedPower]

To what degree does the energy cost of electrolyzing water rise with water pressure?

Back in the days of my physical chemistry study there was the nernst equation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nernst_equation, I think the part of interest is the -RT/zF term. Most reactions which make products which are of greater volume than the starting products are hindered by increased pressure, some might go faster Burning propellants for example due to other effects but the underlying reaction is hindered and can even be halted with enough pressure.

[whatisgod]

After hours of digging on the web I have a few questions that pertain to this idea.
Can anyone help?

1) I continue to find information about ?high pressure electrolysis? what is this all about? http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:High_Pressure_Electrolysis

2) What would be the dampening of the effect at the different depths be anyway? Will the elephant have its feet tied together or not?

3) If the same effect is applied to boiling water is the overall energy needed greater then or less then that which you would need to attain the equivalent volume of gas? An insulated heating coil could be used inside an open tube to contain the heat and transfer it directly to the water with the smallest amount of heat loss possible. Sort of like a jet engine for boiling water under water.

4) On a side note I was wrong again the pressure increces by one atmosphere every 33 feet not every 10 so the overall depth would be 165 feet.

68,921.208   lbs.        At the surface
34,460.604   lbs         at 33 feet
17,230.302   lbs         at 66 feet
8,615.151    lbs         at 99 feet
4,307.5755  lbs         at 132 feet
2,153.78775 lbs        at 165 feet.

This thing is getting big. Maybe a rope and pulley system would be more efficient in transferring the energy to a generator then a shaft that, can withstand 68,921.208lbs of pressure. Or some type of multi piston system but at that point I believe it is getting overly complicated.

What do they say K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid.

[Creativity]

@whatisgod
1) i think what u r finding is all about the electolysers that operate under high pressure for purpose of direct storage of hydrogen produced.So no pumps,just the gas being produced makes all the pressure.

2)I can imagine that higher pressure makes the bubbles of H and O smaller,allowing the more water molecules to come in contact with the electrodes,allowing more Amperage and more HHo production.So in fact u can more efficiently use the surface of the electrodes.A bubble that sits attached to the electrode surface takes this surface out of the game(as no water comes in contact with the electrode there).Smaller bubble takes less electrode surface out of the game for the same amount of H or O stored in this bubble under lower pressure.It is how i see the thing,just the theory though.

3)here some facts,water expands around 1600 times when coming from fluid to gas form(1 l of water will give u 1600l of gas).To bring the water to boil u have to heat it up first to 99,7deg C.It will require u 4190 J/kgK.So for every kg of water u use,to bring it 1K(=C) degree closer to 99,7 u need 4190 J of energy.That was if u did it under normal pressure.Withhigher pressure u need higher temp.u need  more 6degC for every 100mmHg.
Once the water is at boiling, still more energy must be added. This is given by the heat of vaporization, which for water is 40.7 kJ / mol or 2261 Joules per gram.

put it all together and u wil have ur answer

greetz,
Mr.Rain
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