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IPMM MAN-device for the proof of magnetic overunity.

Started by AnandAadhar, April 09, 2008, 07:58:21 AM

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Liberty

Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

Vidar

Very good description Vidar.  You are right on target describing the function of a motor and what must occur in order for it to run.
Liberty

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infringer

All dimensions, symetry, theory aside...

Lets use logic a lot of friction is in this system...

Some of this is friction that cannot be seen and I think it is the biggest culprit I aint no magnetic expert
but, simply have a look at any flux diagram for magnetics you will see a shit ton of unseen influence...

Here is some suggestions based on this:

Remove friction of moving joints of the arms by using magnetics to suspend the joints of the arm in the air.

Remove the friction of magnetic flux paths by directing the flux via semi shielding.

Possibly these things taken into account may do something ...

You have a lot of neo's in your setup there is a lot of influence which you do not see in this system I think that a lot of these influences cause undesireable drag on the system...

Finally for this to be over unity you must produce energy with it as well as keep it moving so you will have the influence of coils and other magnets underneath the disc to produce energy with it..

If this thing runs at 100% int will run continuously without the use of the hand other then the initial start and that may be taken into account when you talk about overunity as well so it may only be 99.9% overunity because the initial start took outside force...

This thing is rather interesting though but I am glad you are at the least honest about your system and did not take fishing line and try to influence your arm on the IPMM MAN with a second person creating a hoax. There are far too many trixsters in the energy market today.

I do not gaurentee anything though bud all that I will say is that everyone in this world knows that magnetics is not fully understood and knows that there is some way to create more energy then thermodynamic laws allow the writing is on the wall and has been for some 100 years!

Maybe the answer to the energy crisis is the IPMM MAN, TPU, Warden Cliff Tower Replication, Noblefuse or another nuclear fusion, Ball Lightning, maybe antimatter, LHC, solar research, wind research or a combination of differnt tech.

We must take into account the positives and negatives of all energy generation!

I really appreciate your efforts one must surely perspire on order to inspire!

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infringer

By the way there is another imput source of energy that you are harnessing already I did not notice....

GRAVITY...

The counter wait is using the force of gravity in your machine as well ;) so weather you use a sterling engine or gravity it does not matter there is another power source being used...

anyhow just thought I would relay that as I didnt pay much attention to the counter weight but it must be factored in when we talk about unity of the device as well...

Just a heads up you will hear about it (in a more arrogant tone of course) if you do get it fully running on its own as well...
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Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 13, 2008, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

Vidar

Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?

If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?

I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.

Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)

No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.

Keep working :)

Br.

Vidar


AnandAadhar

Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 13, 2008, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.

Br.

Vidar

Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?

If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?

I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.

Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)

No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.

Keep working :)

Br.

Vidar



First concern is to get it run, then we worry about things as harnessing and scaling. One step at a time.
Evolution proves that we become more and more smart in representing an abstract of the natural forces. So we eventually get as smart as to harness the space energy just like the aliens with their UFO's do without us having paradigmatic qualms.
The great forces of nature are represented at the molecular level also. Great oppositions in nature like expansion and contraction do also exist on that level, and thus also with magnetics, and so managing an imbalance at that level migth very well work.
My advise is be not too skeptical about e.g. Finsrud. That would harm your mindfulness about real effects.  I trust him when he is saying he does not wind it up like a clock. He insists it runs for years now of its own without any way of charging the system. So when he catches the unrest between magnetism and gravity in his machine, I hold that for a true effect. Better believe and have the chance to find a similar way, then not to believe and be stuck. Isn't it? Better to have love and lost than not to have loved at all. That is the true nature of scientific experiment. And that is what I am trying; to be a faithfull scientist testing a hypothesis. More i cannot say or do really.
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