Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[Pirate88179]

jeanna said:Very good, jeanna.  You're right.  The Creative Science plan I had strongly suggested to soak the ground with water around each wire for greater current output.  Dry ground would get you less, even nothing.  They said water it regularly; every two weeks at least.

Here's the patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=Q19NAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:600457&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=

--Lee

I have always had higher mA's and volts in very dry soil.  When it rains, everything goes down, the dryer the soil, the better my numbers.  With 100 degrees here last summer for 2 weeks, my numbers were the best yet. Now, when I first "plant" a new cell or set of electrodes, I water the area around it liberally to help it connect to the surrounding soil.  After that, no more water for my set-ups.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

The big question for me is why no one has duplicated Stubblefield to the extent he did. It all leads back to him and the existing environment and conditions he was in. Its really peculiar how he died.

I agree with what you say and I want to add he also used materials available at that time, like the cotton insulated wire which we can't seem to find today. (It is available at high end stereo shops BUT it has a layer of teflon or plastic making it no good for this application)  I believe if we had that same wire now, a lot of us would have much larger (much easier to wind) coils with decent outputs.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

Oscar:

You are correct about not being able to use plastic anywhere on the coil.  We discovered this the hard way in our beginning experiments. Fortunately for me, some other folks figured this out before I could gather materials to wind a coil.  Some even tried plastic mesh material to allow some moisture to pass and still no go.  I think it is important for the cotton (Jeanna used silk with success too) to not only allow the passing of moisture, but to hold it in place over time.

Bill

[jeanna]

With the same diameter the tube would have more surface area...
Even using pointed rods may be better. The higher potential materiel's is a plus as well as mass to get more out.

good point! 

The big question for me is why no one has duplicated Stubblefield to the extent he did. It all leads back to him and the existing environment and conditions he was in.

I personally stopped last year because I had reached my limit of understanding.
I had to absorb the information I had gained from my experiments. But I needed the joule thief and its thread and all the helpful people to start to understand what I had learned so I could move forward.
It is not at all surprising to me that we never got very far.
I do believe it is all right there. I do not believe he used an undisclosed switch. I do think we have lost information that was so commonly understood that no one ever mentioned it.

This idea struck me when I read tesla's lecture to the EE's in london in 1892. He referred to a "common inductor coil"

What is that?
That is the kind of thing we have lost. It was the basis for our electrical system, yet we do not remember what they did with an inductor or other things like it that were so common.

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I have made most of my coils with 360 turns total. That is 180 turns for each wire.
The silk did make a better coil.
I suspect that it is because it is sooo thin that the wires can be very close together as oscar has explained so well.

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The key to the wetness issue is in the word moist.
I used to live on the east coast.
The soil there never really dried out. I think KY is similar. There is a little rain every 10 days at least. Often once every 5 days. And there is moist snow all winter. The moisture there goes very deep.

Here in the west coast the climate is called mediterranean. I quickly learned that this has nothing to do with warm mediterranean temperatures, but only to do with the seasonal nature of the rain.
There is a rainy season and dry season.
I must water once a day or 2 in the summer because in the summer there is no rain for 3 months.
Just try to imagine no rain for that long and what that does to your soil... to your earth battery.

Stubblefield said the ground needed to be moist. If you had a rain recently and your ground is moist, then do not add water.

Does this make sense?

I do believe we are adding to the progress from last year. I would not be here to repeat what I did last year.

thank you all,

jeanna

[Pirate88179]

Kentucky has been under drought conditions for the past 4 years, no watering the lawn, washing the car etc.  It usually get's like the dust bowl here in the summer with temps over 100 degrees on a regular basis (104-110 with the heat index)  It is just hot and stays hot.  Trust me, I know as I work in my van with no ac for many hours at a time.

Now this summer has be a mild one, very mild.  We just recorded the coldest July ever since they have been keeping records.  (Thank God)  And, we have had plenty of rainfall too.  Also many more storms producing tornadoes.  May garden area is totally dry and I have to water my upside down bucket plated vegetables 3 times/day otherwise they start to wilt.  This water has nothing to do with my electrodes as they are in the ground and my plants are not.

I think we are talking of two different things here...for the coils...yes moisture is needed for them to work, but from my experience with the electrodes I am using, the dryer the better.  Of course I am sure that soil composition comes into play (we have a lot of clay here) as well as mineralization.  So, I am not surprised if this is not the same for everyone. ***EDIT***  Also, my 5 lb. magnesium block is encased in a bag filled with potash so, whatever moisture there is/was is held in that bag for a long time.  So, I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea here.  If adding water to your set-up increases the output, do it.  If letting it dry out completely helps it, do that.  Whatever it takes to get the best output should be done.

Bill