Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[jeanna]

Last night while the site was dropping off the face... I made a small drawing of the circuit called a human detector. It is that modified logic probe I mentioned.

Things to notice are:

The circuit is open on the left end.

one transistor is connected to the other base to emitter and that second one is the one that lights the light.

The resistor is between the battery and the second one but the charge flow is going first through the 2 bases.

When a proper amount of resistance is provided across the open probes (in this case your 2 hands) like 15kohms etc the light will light up. This is rigged to use a 3v battery.

OK so, I am only posting this because it is what inspired me to think that the NS battery might act like a transistor. One that contains its own battery. This would mean to me that this is only going to show something if it is made to work, and since the pics of NS usually show more than one unit spaced from each other, I wondered if it works best stepped up a little like this.
This circuit is NOT the one we have because the transistor IS ALSO the battery, if this idea is even right.

Here it is to look at. I will post some results later. My preliminary tests from yesterday indicate that this may lead us somewhere. I will take some more measurements today. I need 2 cells that are identical to get a truly meaningful result, and that will mean making another coil to match one of these I already have.

jeanna

[mthompson]

If you shorted the 2 ends that were open, there was still no light, but when you touched both open ends with your hands, the resistance across your body completed the circuit and the light glowed!

When you say 'resistance' do you really mean 'capitance'?

Here is something that might be relevant, or not, from Tesla's research:

1893-02-24.htm
ON LIGHT AND OTHER HIGH FREQUENCY PHENOMENA
Delivered before the Franklin Institute, Philadelphia, February 1893,
and before the National Electric Light Association, St. Louis, March 1893.

Section: ON ELECTRICAL RESONANCE

In Fig. 20 I / 184 I. is shown a plan which has been followed in the study of ,the resonance effects by means of a high frequency alternator.  C1 is a coil of many turns, which is divided into small separate sections for the purpose of adjustment.  The final adjustment was made sometimes with a few thin iron wires (though this is not always advisable) or with a closed secondary.  The coil C1 is connected with one of its ends to the line L from the alternator G and with the other end to one of the plates C of a condenser C C1, the plate (C1) of the latter being connected to a much larger plate P1.  In this manner both capacity and self-induction were adjusted to suit the dynamo frequency.

As regards the rise of potential through resonant action, of course, theoretically, it may amount to anything since it depends on self-induction and resistance and since these may have any value.  But in practice one is limited in the selection of these values and besides these, there are other limiting causes.  One may start with, say, 1,000 volts and raise the E. M. F. to 50 times that value, but one cannot start with 100,000 and raise it to ten times that value because of the losses in the media which are great, especially if the frequency is high.  It should be possible to start with, for instance, two volts from a high or low frequency circuit of a dynamo and raise the E. M. F. to many hundred times that value.  Thus coils of the proper dimensions might be connected each with only one of its ends to the mains from a machine of low E.  M.  F., and though the circuit of the machine would not be closed in the ordinary acceptance of the term, yet the machine might be burned out if a proper resonance effect would be obtained.  [/b]I have not been able to produce, nor have I observed with currents from a dynamo machine, such great rises of potential.  It is possible, if not probable, that with currents obtained from apparatus containing iron the disturbing influence of the latter is the cause that these theoretical possibilities cannot be realized.  But if such is the case I attribute it solely to the hysteresis and Foucault current losses in the core.  Generally it was necessary to transform upward, when the E. M. F. was very low, and usually an ordinary form of induction coil was employed, but sometimes the arrangement illustrated in Fig. 20 II., has been found to be convenient.  In this case a coil C is made in a great many sections, a few of these being used as a primary.  In this manner both primary and secondary are adjustable.  One end of the coil is connected to the line L1 from the alternator, and the other line L is connected to the intermediate point of the coil.  Such a coil with adjustable primary and secondary will be found also convenient in experiments with the disruptive discharge.  When true resonance is obtained the top of the wave must of course be on the free end of the coil as, for instance, at the terminal of the phosphorescence bulb B.  This is easily recognized by observing the potential of a point on the wire w near to the coil.

[jeanna]

When you say 'resistance' do you really mean 'capitance'?

you lost me mthompson,

I did mean resistance. When I tested the "human detector" which is what Francis call his little circuit, (The kids called it things like 'zombie detector, etc.  ) I put a potentiometer across those probes (on the left) and found that with a 3 v battery and a 330R resistor just in series with the neg side of things, the light would glow just at 8,000 ohm and was bright with the resistance right up to 1.9Mohm. but it would go off if the wires were simply connected at that point.

I think that is the sort of head scratcher we are seeing with unexpected numbers on our NS coils.

I am willing to indulge in a thought or 20 about Tesla stuff, but you really lost me here.

If you would like to explain why you thought I should have meant capacitance I will entertain your explanation, but right now, I don't see what it means.

And, if there really were such high frequency in these coils, wouldn't it make itself more obvious?

I have not had the experience of working with any Tesla coils.

thank you,

jeanna

PS The oddest thing. Above your post the thread seems to have a different name. You seemed to be addressing me so I returned to you, but I did not use the quote reply method because it appeared to be a new thread???
weird stuff today.

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Just to let you know that I am alive and well. I have been very busy working on a new project. I have posted my latest attempt at investigation under half baked ideas, if someone is interested. It really has no place here and I don't want to post too far off the subject.

Greetings

Hans

[1tesla01]

Guys,(1)  It seems to me that iron in any part of a system is there to increase the magnetic field /permability. (2) and can increase resistance as in the small iron wire.(3)if you have a resistor,they can also have a capacitance action because of the build up of protons which is voltage trying to get to electrons (voltage pulls trying to get his hands on the strawberrys and electrons pushes) in what is call breakover voltage going through the resistor.it all piles up till the potential voltage or (magnetic field) is strong enough to get close enough to the electrons for the electrons jumps to it(4).High resistance will have more voltage build up behind the resistor helps to increase the protons.(5) (positive and negative ions are constantly looking to balance out)(6)The galvanic action havent worked with that before.I would probly think zink positive or (voltage) and copper negative or electrons ( amperage) Volts x amps = watts......volts / resistance = amps then you multiply VxA  Regards Andy