Science contradicts itself..Questions

[Charlie_V]

I don't think this setup proves or disproved that monopoles are flowing from the magnets, does it?

[Koen1]

Aaaaargh!

I have asked for someone to post a setup that would allow for testing,
nobody did post any such thing,
now I post something that just might do something if Eds story holds up,
and it's not good enough for you?

The idea behind this setup is that, if Ed is right and electric current is
actually an imbalance in the N and S particle exchange between a magnets
poles, then an intentionally created imbalance where a wire "sees" more
N particles than S particles or vice versa should generate an electric current.
So what I tried to do in the given setup is to make an imbalanced situation
in the core, where the core receives more N particles than S particles while
the particle flow is still in the normal direction.
I used a second core on the other end to do the same with the S particles that,
again according to Eds theory, should simultaneously be emitted from the S pole
while the N particles are emitted from the N pole of the middle magnet.

Standard electromagnetic theory says that this will do nothing.
There is still no flux change according to normal theory, so there is zero induced
current.

Eds theory, if I understand him correctly, says that this will create an imbalance
in the number of N and S particles and this will produce current, if the particles
"swirl" in the same way.

This "swirl" thing is why I suggested trying this setup with coiled iron wires to provide
a spiral path for these alleged particles.
I am not entirely sure if it will work with coils, as I find Eds entire coil story vague in
respect to the exact geometric pattern this opposing monopole flows are supposed to
follow. It may be that it will not work with a normal core and coils around it, but that instead
we should use the coiled iron wire wound directly around the straight bare copper wire...

Ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
Let's try to work toward a testable setup that does show things normal theory does not predict,
instead of working against eachother...

[scotty1]

Hi all....
Sorry i've been away but i couldn't get in here for a couple of days?
Koen.....The ideas you are presenting about Ed's notes are good, and in fact similar to my own.
I'll look at your design more....I think i have all the parts.

Ed wrote that "If you guide the N and S pole individual magnets in the right channels they possess perpetual power."
And also..."All that has to be done is to start the N and S pole magnets in an orbit and they will never stop, until the orbit is broken."
When you magnetize a keeper to a U shaped electromagnet, then disconnect the power to the coils...according to Ed the current still flows in the core and keeper, and can be made stronger using larger dimensions.
That is not the view held by current theories, which say that there is no motion inside a closed magnetic circuit.
Magnetize the keeper to the U shaped electromagnet with 1 sec of battery current.....the keeper will never come off, until you pull it off with great force......My keeper is laminated iron, and it can support 20kgs while magnetized to the U bar....It will do that until I pull the keeper off.....the strength of the magnetization will never diminish, even after years, it will hold the 20kgs......
During the time the electromagnet holds the weight...there is almost no external field.
The North and South pole magnets were DISPLACED in such a way so that they no longer come out of the metal as an external field.
When I pull the keeper off, then the energy I put in at the start will come back out of the coils as BEMF, but it can be years between the time i put the current in...and the time i decide to take it out.
In DAVID'S MANUAL OF MAGNETISM it shows that a U shaped magnet stored in a box with a keeper....can actually increase in magnetic strength.
Take the U shaped electromagnet with keeper on it and spin another magnet under the electromagnet....measure the output of the coils.....Take the keeper off the electromagnet, and spin the other magnet underneath again...this time you measure more output from the coils.
When the keeper is removed you get more output in the coils because there is no CLOSED PATH to keep the individual magnets DISPLACED.....so they come out of the U bar and into the coils.
If there is a closed path, then those little N nd S pole magnets will stay in the closed path......some still go out to the coils but many stay in the closed path and do not come out.
Tom Bearden used a closed path.
On Tom's site he shows Gabriel Kron (i think).....He made a true neg resistor...and he mentioned that the secret was to have both open and closed path's simultaneously.
In our U shaped electromagnet and keeper we know we can put the current in and take it out any time we want...but we must use physical force to do it...it has no option of an open path for us to manipulate.
I made a design with a fully closed path, but it also has the option of an open path.
By ANGULAR DISPLACEMENT and pressure the open path is made (theoretically) and then when the pressure is released, the system becomes fully closed...and the angular displacement happens naturally......You open the gates....and they close behind you by themselves...theoretically.

Henry Moray wrote "When a resilient substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things may happen. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations.

Ed wrote "Roll the six little magnets in your fingers...let them loose....then you will see that they do not stay together." page 7 magnetic current.

The faster you displace the N and S pole magnets....the more they fly out radially from the wire.
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One last thing.....Ed did write about static electricity....I'll get to that later...but I think Charlie V may be mistaken there.....I use magnetic needles with my Wimhurst machine all the time, but just to double check I'll run some tests and see.
Scotty...

[Koen1]

May I ask what you use magnetic "needles" for in your Wimshurst machine?
As far as I know no magnetic components are needed to make one of those work... ?

[Charlie_V]

Standard electromagnetic theory says that this will do nothing.
There is still no flux change according to normal theory, so there is zero induced
current.

Actually, it is well known that if you take two magnets and put them in opposition, the field in the region between them will increase.  This is how the Halbach array works.  The fields add together on one side (doubling the field strength) while attenuating on the other side.  In the setup you proposed Koen, the fields at the north end will add and the coils will see an increasing flux as the middle magnet is moved toward the position you have drawn - the same will happen at the south poles.  This setup will produce electricity but I'm not sure it proves that there are monopoles.