Roll on the 20th June

[legendre]

Hi Oak,

Because even if some of his statements & ideas seem wrong or crazy, some other ideas of his are intriguing, at least to some of us.

Which ideas - the ones about wheels that spin forever and produce power? My personal favorite 'idea' was the one declaring that "Newtonians think that 1-tonne blocks will float in the air". Now that's an idea I'd not have come up with, myself!

What I like most about Archer's scheme, is that it will be done on or about the 20th of June, 2008.. more than I can say for that other guy's plans!! 

(Like this particular wheel design, even if some folks claim similar things have been tried before.)

Those claims are verifiable - these and similar things have been tried before, numerous times. Results are always the same and for roughly the same basic reasons..

In any event, I'm mostly done here.. my goal of being ridiculed on Archer's home page has been met, and there's just not much else to say until that fateful day arrives. And should I be found wrong and a very bad man, I have the consolation of being lumped in with some truly excellent company..

Best,
-_L

[The Eskimo Quinn]

working on the wheel at night and other during the day, no problems with the big girl, when the control rods for the lever kicked in yesterday she nearly took my head off, so uuumm that would mean i'm not having any friction issues rofl

as for the wheel still hoping to get it fininshed in time as well.

But if you get it done, do not hold back for me or the date, it will simply mean on the day, there wont be thousand building them, it means there will be millions. Some people can see the basic logic and physics, but just can't believe it would work so easily until they see it.

Although i may have invented it, there is still that historical place for first museum machine and the builder. Take a sick day if you have to and go for it

A nice retired gentleman stopped by this morning to say how proud the neibourhood was at how fast and great the van had come up when they watched it being built.

You can't buy that with any amount of money.

But don't be too slow, some of the emails i get are from "crews" and "teams" of people building them.

But remember no matter what, guys like you and smokey and all the others who build and post or just draw or help. Have already changed the world. and after you have all seen either of the machines run. I will post your real names on the website where they belong, believe me it's worth more than all the money in the world when someone says thanks and truely means it, and i intend to do so publicly.

So lets bury these bastards, and sit on the graves of the greedy empires and have a drink

[infringer]

The further you extend the rod the more leverage... Thus the more gain reguardless of each side weighing the same weight ...

THe more leverage the more push.

The easier to make it to 7 it becomes.

Once it makes it to 7  attach a load and extend.

As it was said before terminal velocity will not be reached.

All assumptions providing everything goes as planned ...

To make it run we need a constant state of unbalance to make it to 7 anything past 7 will allow for a load well techncally 6:30 should be even fairly safe

[MrKai]

Hi Ladies!

I just wanted to chime into this bitch slap fight again with a slightly different angle, as I noticed none of the Archer Haters responded to my lil' post a couple pages back.

First, to A. Quinn:

Can you please stop with the cursing/foaming at the mouth thing now? You've convinced enough people that you are a complete narcissistic megalomaniac nutcase now that I think you are "safe"...you can amp it down now. It really is just way to over-the-top and I've seen that you can write gooder and stuff

Now, on to BinaryBoy, The Other Doc Brown, The Legend of Zelda and the rest of the Math-o-matics Funky Bunch:

I get it. I understand that you feel that you are helping these people, but I gotta tell you that your method is backwards, at best. By attacking their Current Jeebus, you are kind of validating them/him (I know...I KNOW...just work with me here) and thus, you sail into the harbor on a Leaky Failboat...which is, oddly enough, the message you are trying to deliver here.

These guys are NOT physicists, for better or worse, so your logic DOESN'T MAKE SENSE They are doers. Dreamers. Tinkers. You damned books don't mean...jack crap here....unless its an exposé of some shady energy thing....but more on the confirmation bias problem here in a bit.

In fact, the ONLY useful thing anyone has said or linked to on the "Nay!" side is the *very* interesting Museum of Unworkable Devices. I think every single person building, or contemplating building this thing should visit that website. It is here: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm. You should probably go ahead and look at this link right now in another window as you finish the rest of this...

You ALSO need to acknowledge, on BOTH SIDES here (but moreso on the "Go Team Archer!" side) that there is a LOT of "confirmation bias" going on around here, and not a whole lot of regular old Common Effin' Sense.

None of the youTube videos show a working...anything. Not even close. There is a lot of "now, if I could just.." or "well see, my thingee snapped..." or "I'm gonna do the next step soon, but as you can see..."...

But the problem is, no, WE CANNOT.

Sayitwi'menaw: "We haven't seen anything yet."

PLEASE, stop saying it works, or it will work, etc. ONLY Archer Quinn can make this claim. Well, I *guess* anyone could, but certainly NOT based on youtube vids of things that don't run

Now, this is not to say we won't, because, quite frankly, I don't know. As far as I know, "Archer Quinn" could be a complete loon, or a damned genius pretending to be a complete loon.

He definitely has balls tho.

So yeah guys, to quote one of my fav movie lines...

"Let's not start suckin' each others' dicks just yet, OK?"

Now...in all fairness: Whether or not "known science" has the definitive answer to the question of the probability that this thing will work or not may (or may not) be up for...debate...(Well...for half the crew here, the debate is moot)...

But ALL SIDES can certainly meet at this point: What science might not prove/disprove...HISTORY certainly seems to be leaning strongly in the "against" column.

And for the haters: You wanna know why these "poor, confused, deluded (but oddly, mechanically gifted) fools" seem to follow this guy...outside of, of course, their own bias?

It appears that he speaks to their dreams...and hasn't seemed to AT ALL make ANY ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER at capital gains from THIS group of people for this thing.

It is my understanding that in this...scene...the general SOP is to promise these sort of things, make some sort of video and then declare patent intent, or try to sell plans or some key part, etc.

So, outside of the realm of physics as you know it, this guys seems to offer a quasi-credibility (within the scope of this particular subculture) that appeals to the these people's dreams/hopes/beliefs.

And the detracting haters with their evil "math" and corporate-shill "physics" and "Laws" and "Axioms" and whatnot...well these guys are just DreamRapers (at this point).

Like I said, I know you are trying to help them (and I commend you on this) but I think this is a lesson that all of us need to learn for ourselves...either way.

Ya dig?

[legendre]

Archer,

hey everyone go to the front page of the site, Legendre (obviously chose the name because he thought he was) we now he is famous. For all time.

see leg, better than 15 minutes, now don't go saying ol Archer never did anything for you

You've done more for me than I could ever have asked, but it's not like I didn't have to work for my fame..

And hey, if it turns out that you're right, I owe you a Coke.

-L