Roll on the 20th June

[exxcomm0n]

Allow me to jump in:

eXX:

If I load a revolver with live ammo, do *need to put the gun to my head and pull the trigger* to be able to determine that the result will be self-inflicted High Velocity Lead Poisoning?

Do you realize that your whole "if it doesn't work, then build it and PROVE IT" is EXACTLY like the above example to these people?

It could be, but is giving someone a lever or a wheel the same as giving them a loaded gun?

I mean...do you? ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO THIS THING being a total dud. Remember, for the umpteenth time, Archer brought out the Big Dogs by putting up MATH that does not actually work.

Evidence?

Let me lean on MW again:



Main Entry:
    1ev?i?dence Listen to the pronunciation of 1evidence
Pronunciation:
    \ˈe-vÉ™-dÉ™n(t)s, -vÉ™-ËŒden(t)s\
Function:
    noun
Date:
    14th century

1 a: an outward sign : indication b: something that furnishes proof : testimony; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter2: one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
? in evidence
1: to be seen : conspicuous <trim lawns?are everywhere in evidence? American Guide Series: North Carolina>2: as evidence

Words in a book are not evidence usually.

I'd like to see the evidence please.

NO ONE told him to do this. Not One Person. And when our intrepid leader here @ overunity had at knocking up the plans with Computer-Fu, even he was like "Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh, ummmmm, from what you just said there, there is NO WAY this will work like you said...can we get some clarification?"

I like Stephan just fine and see his building this site as a great achievement, but I still don't deem him my leader.
Considering whom I'm supposed to believe that is in this country (USA), I'm not sure leader is a good honorific.

I noticed that there was no response too. I also noticed that he mocked it up in software BUILT on already accepted laws. That Archer didn't point this out is his (Archer's) fault.

How can you use a tool built to use those laws to see if they're false?

Your whole notion that "unless you build it to prove it doesn't work" is like some schoolyard "Yo' Momma" snaps or something.

Or do you REALLY NEED TO SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FACE to "know" that the gun will fire?!?!

Nope, I was trained how to respect a firearm AND WHY before allowed to touch a gun.
But using this analogy is also saying that every round made fires.

I know that to not be true, too.

These (lever/wheels) are not things that can kill (unlike the TPU purportedly) unless you really can't handle tools.

Make a toy and remove all doubt about it's ability to not shoot your face off.

@ Rodney....errrrrr........redriderno22

LMMFAO!!!!       

[MrKai]

It could be, but is giving someone a lever or a wheel the same as giving them a loaded gun?

Evidence?

Let me lean on MW again:



Main Entry:
    1ev?i?dence Listen to the pronunciation of 1evidence
Pronunciation:
    \ˈe-vÉ™-dÉ™n(t)s, -vÉ™-ËŒden(t)s\
Function:
    noun
Date:
    14th century

1 a: an outward sign : indication b: something that furnishes proof : testimony; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter2: one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
? in evidence
1: to be seen : conspicuous <trim lawns?are everywhere in evidence? American Guide Series: North Carolina>2: as evidence

Words in a book are not evidence usually.

I'd like to see the evidence please.

I like Stephan just fine and see his building this site as a great achievement, but I still don't deem him my leader.
Considering whom I'm supposed to believe that is in this country (USA), I'm not sure leader is a good honorific.

I noticed that there was no response too. I also noticed that he mocked it up in software BUILT on already accepted laws. That Archer didn't point this out is his (Archer's) fault.

How can you use a tool built to use those laws to see if they're false?

Nope, I was trained how to respect a firearm AND WHY before allowed to touch a gun.
But using this analogy is also saying that every round made fires.

I know that to not be true, too.

These (lever/wheels) are not things that can kill (unlike the TPU purportedly) unless you really can't handle tools.

Make a toy and remove all doubt about it's ability to not shoot your face off.

This entire reply was disingenuous.

Please try to be honest in your debate, and revisit the ORIGINAL QUESTION:

Do YOU need to fire a loaded gun, pointed at YOUR FACE, based on your purported understanding of how firearms and ammo work to be reasonably certain that this would be fatal?

This is a YES or NO question. Really. It is a simple question. I have noticed that in this...scene, everyone claims to be "simple" and "hands-on" but when presented with a simple notion that smacks against your biases, everyone wants to get complicated and "meta" suddenly.

So, again:

Do YOU need to fire a loaded gun, pointed at YOUR FACE, based on your purported understanding of how firearms and ammo work to be reasonably certain that this would be fatal?

Here, to get the ball rolling, let me start:

"No. I do NOT need to do this. I've spent enough time at the Continental Arms Gun Range on Deerco Rd to understand that firing a gun at point blank range into my face will be at MINIMUM reallllllllllllllllllllllllly painful and messy."

[The Eskimo Quinn]

yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah, you got your wish to destroy me, to bring down the mighty quinn, but on that front..............................silence,

yeah we know oil man, it's hard now, never expected that one did you?

well you are finished i came to the prove it party all the way, and now that i am willing you dont wanna play anymore, go back to texes and george bush oil man, or put up an expert to crush me or get off the thread, i don't recall oil people being invited, and we all know a true scientists would say stop right there!! you agree to a test??? you agree to it being a phyics professor? you agree it has to be a currently working one from a know place not the government or a quinn friend???
wow lets kill this bullshit now then.

but no such response, just more oil blah blah blah, see people how he went from prove it, to show us a video as soon as i agreed, and then when i say ok to the video he moves on again.to anything but wanting to see the proof offered.

why? because you will see it too.

[fletcher]

What's interesting here is how this whole thread from day one was turned into personality politics [by quinn raising the aggression levels & name calling] & away from independent verification of quinn's claims [6 ways to make OU] - quinn has not provided one shred of evidence, concise accurate description or immutable math to back up any of his claims [NOT ONE] - the boys building will at least have a real result [or not] to study, but my bet is that they will keep on asking for more detail to get theirs going for quite some time after the 20th & the sorry saga will drag on & eventually become FE folklore i.e. chet & the likes will always blame the big bad oilboys for driving quinn away with his tail between his legs [coz they asked hard questions] & he will never accept that he was an unwitting accomplice to a fraud - for him it will be the opportunity the world needed that was sadly lost through ignorance & so the script shall be complete.

[exxcomm0n]

Let's look at the question again, shall we?

Allow me to jump in:

eXX:

If I load a revolver with live ammo, do *need to put the gun to my head and pull the trigger* to be able to determine that the result will be self-inflicted High Velocity Lead Poisoning?

You might.

But this is not what you just accused me of. The accusation was that I was twisting your words.

That is the original question as the quote function here sees it.



If it was ME? Probably not.

But I can't say the same for someone that is under the impression that I gun is a hammer or a screwdriver either.

Have anything to say about the other questions?