Roll on the 20th June

[sm0ky2]

I've (finally) begun construction of my wheel. Pondering this for weeks, trying to find the 'best' way to go about it...    as many of you can probably relate to, the biggest trouble i have with builds is the "reinventing of the wheel"....  so, after a loooooong procrastination, and much thought.....

I took apart 'Big-Daddy' - the best of my HD spinners. (photo 1)  then mounted a wooden wheel between the plates.
i cant make a wooden wheel worth a crap, so this wheel came off the end of a giant spool of underground ethernet cable. (13.75inch dia.)

mounted the wheel onto a cross-bar, and mounted the cross-bar onto wooden stands. i took pics of the whole thing front/back to show its nothing more than some wood,  a metal bar and a wheel.
the harddrive bearing spins VERY freely. windresistance is the dominant-resistive force on this wheel, friction is almost immeasurable.  I'll link the video as soon as YouTube finishes "procesing it". Meanwhile, here are some pics.

--  and umm, inevitable there will be SOMEONE who asks, so i'll go ahead and post the specs. of what i have here. 
1) the wooden wheel has an OD  :  13  3/4 inches  ( 35cm)
2) axle-width is : 0.5cm
3) height from the bottom of the base to the axis (as if it matters) :  32 inches (80.5cm)

My next step is balancing the wheel. Then i will provide some experiments to demonstrate some of the arguments that have come up over the past few pages concerning weights placed on a wheel.

[sm0ky2]

ok here's the video. i gave this a light spin to show how easily it goes around. Notice how it pendulates at the end of the clip - this is because the wheel isn't balanced. i'll start this process next. i think the easiest way to go about it will be to sand more wood off the wheel at the 'heavy end' - which ends up pointing down.

then continue this process until the wheel can come to rest in any position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybq2Ca-goeI

[exxcomm0n]

Then allow me to reply.

I honestly do NOT get you guys. Really.

As I said before, I happened upon all of this via a post on engadget ages ago, so it is a bit of a new experience to me.

Basically, it seems like the vast majority of the complaining here is because people will not accept things will work based on blanket claims.

I don't think this is fair, or even conducive to what you all claim to be trying to achieve.

I mean, do you seriously think it is better and more...helpful..to not say:

"Hey...the way that is configured, that won't do what you think it will, because of X."

...and instead say "ALRIGHT!!! We're just minutes away from victory!!!"...

...even tho it is nowhere in sight?

I mean, it seems to me like you people HAVE to have been jerked around in the past by false promises, half-baked ideas, scams and schemes or sociopaths offering the answer if you kiss their ring, and then take their toys and go home if you don't suck enough dick.

I know this, because I'm in the software biz...and I've seen vaporware get fanboys into a tizzy real quick.

Personally, I would think you would welcome some folks that have a bit more insight into why energy works the way it does so that they may help you exploit things like this.

Now about the wheel and lever:

My honest opinion is that Archer is making this way more dramatic than it needs to be with all of this piecemeal shit. He obviously has more to add, and a greater/grander scheme, and instead of just putting it out there, or shutting up until he can, he insights an *emotional response* that seems to overtake the methodical thinking skills of many of you.

I do NOT believe PurePower is insincere. I believe Legendare OTOH, well, basically just became offended and "went off"...because a lot of this *IS* offensive to thinking persons....and not the bad math of the hateration...but the sheer willingness of you people to unplug your common sense circuitry for a dream.

I mean seriously, i hope in hell Archer or SOMEBODY comes up with SOMETHING because I have a huge ass space in my house for a mini power factory.

*I* just don't believe I'm going to get it by NOT separating the wheat from the chaff.

I also, sincerely believe this fool Archer may have worked out a way to have his lever reset...and if he has, if or not it shatters newton (why he is obsessed with THAT I cannot imagine) is pointless. No one gives a shit...what I give a shit about is a machine that can power at least 1/3 of the shit in my crib so i can tell the power company to SUCK IT HARD.

Anyone that thinks I am about anything else is a moron. Period.

Anyone that doesn't understand my skepticism, or mis-interprets it as sabotage, is a fool.

If Archer continues to make wacky claims about busting newtonian Physics (AND BTW...do NOT BE MISLED. There is NOTHING in Newtonian Physics...NOTHING...that states that FE is not possible. This is a strawman. What they do say is what the observed properties of things are and what has to be solved before that goal (FE) can be obtained) you had better believe that people that *know* this subject will be like "hang on a tick."

I do not believe Archer really understands what he is trying to tear down. This in no way means he cannot have come across a solution.

I do not understand why you guys cannot resolve this in your minds, that based on what *Archer* is saying and showing in *his own videos and drawings* mixed in with his rants about physics...THAT is what is being scrutinized.

Some say "well let him finish!" and there is SOME merit to this...however conversely, there is certainly merit is questioning what has been seen considering the whole "I'm Archer, and I'm here to kick your ASS!!!!" tone that he set in the first place.

PurePower has a beef with archer...but you know what?

HE STARTED OFF AS A PROPONENT...and stated so clearly. My understanding is that once Archer started throwing around bad math, then getting *nasty about the guidance* that it turned ugly.

I can't tell purepower to relax; he's made up his own mind based on his own experiences.

I will say this tho: what happened to the wheel? Was it abandoned because it was shown that it just would not work? is this lever thing in its final glory supposed to be better somehow? Who IS that masked man?

All of these are legit questions and Archer's not answering...so folks are left to ther own devices to work it out.

Like I said before, you can call people all the names in the world, but Archer Quinn started us down this path, with a bold statement, a plan, a roadmap and a promise that he looks to have retconned off the internet.

I still have a copy of the original site. I know what he said, and what he's doing now is NOT that thing.

Make of that what you will.

-K

My that was mighty insightful.

I'm into the whole brevity thing today so you'll have to feed in your lamprey like fashion on someone else, I've given enough.

But it was fun to watch you get miffed.

Your dismissed.
Have a nice day.

[ramset]

SMOKY nice start I KNow you probably Know this but a pencil held stationary up against the wheel through 1 rotation will give you a start [at the very edge ] from there sheetmetal screws closer  or further out from the axle at the suspect light spot or even thumb tacks for finer tuning
one question are you going to cantalever the weights or put them strait and cant the mags ?  Chet

[exxcomm0n]

@ Purepower

  I'm having trouble with sometihng, perhaps your experience can shed some light on this....

The 3kg control rods...  pushed "in" they are part of the mass of the short end, and are lifted with it, when the lever becomes imbalanced.  Now - how would i describe the energy of extending those control rods to offset the balance with respect to the energy of a single system cycle?

perhaps  E =  3kg (9.8m/s/s) ( say... 3 inches verticle displacement?) * (# of rods)

vs

    the energy of the entire massive lever moving several meters as a result of this tiny imbalance
   
It HAS to balance out, but i must be missing something here....... because one appears to be many times larger than the other?

Keep looking into that, instead of looking at graphically laid out formulas.

Forget about counterbalances and control arms.

Look at the lever and the weight.

Get a metal ruler and some magnets.



EDIT: I do have to compliment you on deciding to give the wheel a try.
Looks like you have promising beginnings.