Roll on the 20th June

[dirt diggler]

Forgive me if this was brought up before, not a regular on this thread, but everybody seems to be so concerned about fulcrum math and I'm confused as to why so many ignore the most important of Archer's statements under THE EGYPTIAN FULCRUM section that makes the 5:1 lever work like a 20:1 lever:

If any of those who still choose to ignore these statements would please test the difference between a 1 KG weight resting on your head and 1 KG falling from a meter on to your head. If some sense is not knocked into your head, then there is no way it can be explained.

Regards, Larry

exactly Larry,  thats the whole point!  we are after the power of movement, momentum, whatever you want to call it.
there is a big difference between a weight sitting on a lever, and a weight falling from the height that the lever lifted it to.
this lever, although extremely simple in operation, just might hold the answer.  weights move up, drop, and release energy, some of that energy is used, and the system goes around again.
ciao, Dirt

[MrKai]

If any of those who still choose to ignore these statements would please test the difference between a 1 KG weight resting on your head and 1 KG falling from a meter on to your head. If some sense is not knocked into your head, then there is no way it can be explained.

Regards, Larry

Larry, they are ignored because they are what is know as a logical fallacy

Apples to oranges, indeed.

If i put the weight on my head, hang from monkey bars, and drop 1 meter with the weight on my head...this proves what?



See my example:

"A car in London traveling at the same speed as a car in Boston is actually going faster, because the car in London is traveling in kph, and kph > mph, thus the car in London is moving faster."

This is so-called "Archurian Math and Physics" in a nutshell

AND AGAIN: NONE OF THIS precludes this fool from stumbling onto *something*...

It seems that the dichotomy of this way of thinking is anathema to a lot of you guys tho. It is very possible, logical, reasonable and rational (to most but the "Newtonians") that this babbling moron could have stumbled onto something, but his vainglorious nature makes him look like an ignorant ass.

To the fans, one must accept the man, the methods and the math, or you are the enemy. To the Newton Luvrs, he cannot have possibly stumbled upon anything because he doesn't understand the Newtonian Physics* he's trying to "destroy"...and here I thought it was the oil men that had to go.

Personally, I think he needs a PR department...assuming one can find Puertorica?os that far Southeast

OK, I stole that last line from Chris and Doc...sorry

-K

*I think he half understands them and horribly misapplies things...apple/oranges

[canuck22]

I am a firm believer in a rotating device that will run and allow the production of energy, I do have some ideas myself on the matter, one which I did post here.

After reading post after post regarding the lever, which does have a large impact on how this wheel will operate I have one concern in how I think it will or will not work.

I have a question.

How does moving the same amount of weight the same distance work?

If you move 5 pounds to the right over the magnets ( assuming clockwide rotation), and move 5 pounds inwards from the left the same distance what do you gain?

Would you not have to move the weight on the left farther inwards?

peter

[dirt diggler]

I have said that the *lever* isn't particularly special, but the reset mechanism would be the determining factor of the usefulness of the machine.

Thing is, he seemed to half-ass that part because he has a perverse hatred of science for reasons only he seems to know or fathom.

Are those big helis and planes, or RC ones?

One of my Moms is a pilot...flying is cool

-K

MrKai:

Yah, all full size aircraft.  I have a family business up here in Canada, we've done everything from air medevac, to helicopter fire fighting, custom mods, flyin fishing, general maintainance, you name it, we've done it

If you look back at excommon"s drawing, back probably 4-5 pages, you will see that there is more to this than meets the eye.  using water, there seems to possibly be a way to make this work. by using water as the weight, it allows the use of a turbine or water wheel to create energy, yet still end up back at the bottom, because the weight is water, it will always make it back to the bottom, no matter what energy was extracted on the way down.
maybe I've been smokin excom's stash, but I really think this should be look at closer.

ciao, Dirt

[fletcher]

Same torque - different positions on lever - same shift distance from pivot.