Roll on the 20th June

[greendoor]

There are two very basic blunders that Archer & his followers are making.  I'll try to avoid maths, because that obviously a sticky point with these guys.

1 - the fallacy that increasing torque with a lever/fulcrum etc increases power.  Yes - a longer lever multiplies force.  But - to raise OR lower a larger weight with smaller weight requires the smaller weight to fall OR rise a proportionally greater distance.  There is no getting around this, no matter how complicated you make it and confuse yourself.

2 - the fallacy that converting force to momentum is a gain.  Archer's idea that a falling weight on a wheel or pendulum must have free energy because it swings past the 6 o'clock mark ... and comparing this to a static lever or pully system.  One converts into the other.  IF you convert a falling weight into momentum, it effectively weights less, and therefore is less effective at pulling up a weight.  Imagine you have two balanced weights - equal amounts of maximum force.  If one of these weights now falls - it converts that force into momentum - but it is useless for lifting the other weight, which now crashes to the ground.  There are other combinations in between, but it's always an equal trade off between the two.  What you gain on the swings, you lose on the roundabouts ...

Archer is making zero sense and just deluding himself.  He can't even see that power is not measured in weight.  He can't see that there is zero difference between a fulcrum that is upright or inverted.  A bearing is a bearing, and it makes no difference how it is suspended - as long as the mounts don't get in the way of the wheel. 

Don't expect him to make any sense on the 20th!  He can't make sense today - and I suspect he is trying to.  It's just painful to watch.  (OK - I asked for abuse - so hit me with "Monkey" and "Oil Man"). 

In any other forum, Archer would be branded a foul mouthed troll and banned.  Here he is hero worshiped.

[MrKai]

There are two very basic blunders that Archer & his followers are making.  I'll try to avoid maths, because that obviously a sticky point with these guys.

Why you gotta go here? I mean we just start to get the civility back and everything, and you open with the ugly...

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Archer is making zero sense and just deluding himself.  He can't even see that power is not measured in weight.  He can't see that there is zero difference between a fulcrum that is upright or inverted.  A bearing is a bearing, and it makes no difference how it is suspended - as long as the mounts don't get in the way of the wheel. 

Don't expect him to make any sense on the 20th!  He can't make sense today - and I suspect he is trying to.  It's just painful to watch.  (OK - I asked for abuse - so hit me with "Monkey" and "Oil Man"). 

OK, gd...I gotta ask:

What are you hoping to accomplish here? And, do you believe it is possible, no matter how unlikely, that he could have possibly stumbled onto...something...even with his flawed understanding? A sort of Savant situation?

In any other forum, Archer would be branded a foul mouthed troll and banned.  Here he is hero worshiped.

While I too find the above a bit...troublesome, what I cannot for the life of me figure out is why about 10 people that keep posting here actually give  shit about him forming a cult.

I totally get why THEY care about joining...I just don't get why you guys CARE if people are joining...especially when the acolytes tell you they do not care for, or about, your proofs and maths.

You have to wonder who is suffering from the greater amount of un-sanity in this regard

-K

[purepower]

Okay everyone, have another look at video 2/3.

The weights are clearly not extended equally, nor are they sifting as the rod shifts. I will pull this apart one piece at a time.

First of all, I bring your attention to what he states between :36 - :40

I quote Archie, referring to the extended weights:

"are fixed, they do not slide with the rods, so the action from either side is equal"

THE ACTION FROM EITHER SIDE IS EQUAL! Meaning there is no torque advantage! But this contradicts everything he has said about the extensions before (ie added "leverage")! Yet he claims to still be getting the same results.

So let me get this strait. We get an advantage in one instance for one reason (that isnt true), but then when that instance doesnt occur we get the same advantage for the same reason? Sorry Archie, you just proved yourself wrong.

It confirms everything I have said, however. All the extensions do is give you MORE ANGULAR MOMENTUM. This does help overcome the wall for a while, but does not fix the wall problem. Please see my previous post.


I now bring your attention to frames 1:12-1:19. Here, we see the rod break the wall and continue around the wheel.

I now bring your attention to frames 1:30-1:35. Here, we see the rod break the wall, BUT THEN FALLS BACK DOWN?

If the weights were truly equally weighted, they would perform exactly the same regardless of which side passes through. Since this is not the case, it it clear for all to see the weights are not equally distributed on his demo.

Now you might be asking yourself "why does this matter? All this would mean is it is harder to move one end across the wall than the other."

This becomes important from frames 2:06-2:20 when he shows how easily the rod falls past the wall. If you pay close attention to the previous frames (1:12-1:19 & 1:30-1:35), you will see which end is the heavier end. Then as you watch the wheel turn (which eventually dies by the way), you can follow the heavy end. He then catches the heavy end, and uses that to show how easily it breaks through the wall.

Does this break the wall just because the weights are extended instead of internal? No. This is because the wheel is not balanced. We would see the same effects, regardless if the mismatched weight distribution was an inch from the center or a mile from the center.

TORQUE DOES NOT CHANGE AS THE MASSES MOVE OUT. ANGULAR MOMENTUM DOES, BUT WILL NOT "FIX" THE WALL PROBLEM.

-PurePower

[MrKai]

I...believe he said there is a weight shifting inside of the rod, purerpower.

-K

[purepower]

I...believe he said there is a weight shifting inside of the rod, purerpower.

-K

I AM NOT ADDRESSING THE SHIFTING OF THE ROD, I AM ADDRESSING THE EXTENSION OF THE WEIGHTS.

Seriously people, how many times do I have to say this?