Roll on the 20th June

[Bobbotov]

Bobbotov,

I talk out of ignorance, but I can imagine that the process involved creating oil happens ver down towards the centre of our beloved earth, and only SOME of the actual oil sites are replenished, because the "natural oil factory" is having access to them.

The more "over the surface" ones, probably got filled up very early, when the geological terra-forming (sorry my english is poor, particularly in technical terms, so I hope I convey the right idea) process was at full speed, and "petroleoum chimeneys where reaching up into the surface.

Yo also have the following questions, that might help the abiotic petroleum concept:

1) WHere are all those emptied caves ? I started to think about it when one of you said it!!! Even holywood, which grasps the weirdest concepts just to make a movie,  never grasped the "EMPTY PETROLEUM CAVE" concept.

Our earth is full of INCONCEIVABLY BIG HOLES everywhere. Which also were under pressure before being drilled. THat is, I assume that we see the classical PETROLEUM FOUNTAIN in every movie where the lucky guy discovers it in its backyard.

EVEN if it is filled with water, which I assume is far less dense than petroleum, the pressure wont be there. Wouldnt the caves collapse ?

Are they being secretly used for elite underground cities or whatever ?

uhmmm Such a fantastic concept never been used by holywood? it sounds like a silenced concept.

Also, I think that math itself can show that we have been using LOTS of dinosaurs yogurht ... more than can actually be fitted over our earth.

ALSO:

My country DOES NOT HAVE PETROLEUM. BUT BUT BUT there is a famous topic in here... over Piriapolis (I live in Uruguay, South America) there is a place, a rock formation (small mountain, 100 or so meters high), where something sticky petroleum like, flows out of different points.

IT has been a recurring press topic that such thing "could be petroleum". There even has been some stirring about it.

but geologically speaking, it was colliding with the "dinosaur concept" so it was always turned down.

Sigma.

Oil is generally found in small pores in rock like sandstone or limestone. The pores range in size from hundredths of a millimeter, to a few millimeters in most cases. In some limestone a form of porosity can form that has much larger pores ranging from centimeters to meters in size in the case of cavernous porosity.

Below the first few hundred feet of the earths surface all of the pores in rock are filled with water, or oil and natural gas. In most oil reservoirs the water that is there naturally is salt water. Most oil and gas reservoirs have a naturally high pressure when first found, and this natural pressure (often several thousand psi) drives the oil and gas upward and out of the well. Water pushes the oil and gas out of the well, replacing the oil and gas in the rock as it leaves the well. If water did not flow into the voids left by oil and gas, it would be impossible to pump oil out of a well.

When the natural pressure is depleted the well is either abandoned or nearby wells can be used to inject more water and create artificial pressure to push the oil up out of the well.

If you are wondering if the rock subsides or compacts as the oil is removed, in most cases it does not. The grains in the rock are well cemented and support each other regardless of what is in the pores. In the case of poorly cemented sandstones (called unconsolidated) there can indeed be some compaction and the surface can subside. This also happens with some water wells, and in some areas there has been significant subsidence from both water pumping and oil pumping.

You might be surprised to learn that in most oil wells only about 50% of the oil is ever recovered. Recovery can range from as low as 20-30% of the oil to as high as 60-70% of it when special methods are applied. Someday if we ever find a new technology that can recover more oil we may be able to go back to long-abandoned oil fields and pump more oil. Current methods of what is called secondary or tertiary recovery involve both water injection into special injector wells and carbon dioxide injection. The water or CO2 helps flush (push) more oil out of the underground sponge-like rock we call an oil reservoir.

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GOD SPEED ARCHER QUINN  Chet [maybe a PDF when you get a chance]

[MrKai]

Not sure how you construed my post as being done from such excitability or defensiveness that I need to calm down. Seemed pretty easy going to me. I didn't rant or curse. Such a touchy crowd here

You got that much right. The reason I said "calm down" wasn't because of what a...rational person would consider egregious, but as a warning; asking several questions in the same post questioning/opposing an...alternative view is surely to be construed as a "negative" contribution in almost every case.

I was warned about this a ways back...didn't heed the warning as much as I should have, considering the venue...just passing it on/paying it forward

-K

[Bobbotov]

You got that much right. The reason I said "calm down" wasn't because of what a...rational person would consider egregious, but as a warning; asking several questions in the same post questioning/opposing an...alternative view is surely to be construed as a "negative" contribution in almost every case.

I was warned about this a ways back...didn't heed the warning as much as I should have, considering the venue...just passing it on/paying it forward

-K

First of all, I am not worried how I am perceived. People love to shoot messengers to ostensibly kill problems. People can believe in all manner of nonsense at their peril. This website is full of that for all to see. But since I have been involved in energy conservation since 1979 the resistance and head burying that has gone on since then is why we are all on the brink of global catastrophe regardless of what the causes. But the short answer is "we are the causes." and part and parcel with that, "we are the solution too." If I am broke I could believe that my bank account will somehow magically replenish itself. It won't but I could believe that. The problem with abiotic oil is such that it gives people the idea that this crisis is overblown and nothing to worry about and we should just go back to driving our Hummers with impunity. Same with the idea that oil is aplenty and we can all sleep better at night knowing that. Well, I don't care if the Earth is hollow and filled with oil, it is finite and we will run out eventually. And the process of running out will not be pleasant.

However, I appreciate your concern.

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Look. This needs to end.

Why? I'm more than willing to wait for these pleas to stop calling you Special K to materialize.
You keep coming back, why shouldn't I?

I find your content (or lack thereof) amusing.

I made a statement that as humans, we do NOT have do do things that have been proven. It is reasonable to use history, math and science to make certain assumptions.

Don't forget actual factual historically recorded material that is here for anyone to find.

Your retort was to the contrary.

I gave a clear example of how prior knowledge is used to make reasonable assumptions about physical behaviors and their results. My example was clear; it was firing a loaded gun into your own face.

Oh, we're back to that and not your multiple pleas for me to stop calling you Special K.
C'mon, stick with one argument at a time please.

The results of this action are known by sentient humans to have a fairly predictable and nasty result, so much so that no one capable of debating on an internet forum is going to say, and be honest and genuine about it that yes, I'd have to pull the trigger to be reasonably sure that the results would be unpleasant, at minimum.

Touch?. Movin' on.

A favored probability, NOT an absolute.
I'm glad you caught on.

However...I don't know if it is your maturity levels, testosterone or just the fact that it is pretty much a "backed into the corner damned if I do/don't" scenario...but you took the low road on that one, man.

You did. You actually tried to float an argument for shooting oneself in the face

Come on now.

That is disingenuous, and since I strongly believe that you don't/didn't sincerely believe that argument, but instead wished for a pissing match, in my opinion, that makes you a liar.

Nope, it shows that I will NOT let a someone make an absolute statement when my experience has proven otherwise.

It WAS and absolute statement.....lessee here........(for this one, since you don't have the fortitude to back up your statements, let me help you).......

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4540.msg102439.html#msg102439

"Allow me to jump in:

eXX:

If I load a revolver with live ammo, do *need to put the gun to my head and pull the trigger* to be able to determine that the result will be self-inflicted High Velocity Lead Poisoning?

Do you realize that your whole "if it doesn't work, then build it and PROVE IT" is EXACTLY like the above example to these people?

I mean...do you? ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO THIS THING being a total dud. Remember, for the umpteenth time, Archer brought out the Big Dogs by putting up MATH that does not actually work.

NO ONE told him to do this. Not One Person. And when our intrepid leader here @ overunity had at knocking up the plans with Computer-Fu, even he was like "Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh, ummmmm, from what you just said there, there is NO WAY this will work like you said...can we get some clarification?"

Your whole notion that "unless you build it to prove it doesn't work" is like some schoolyard "Yo' Momma" snaps or something.

Or do you REALLY NEED TO SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FACE to "know" that the gun will fire?!?!"

My, I had forgotten the tone of your retort.

Seeing as you wrote that so long ago stating your position, why are you still here?

That's where it all started, and you're not worth the extra effort on my part (even though I was able to do it and you weren't) to hunt up the rest.

I see that as misdirection and obfuscation and a nice little way to say "See how smart I am?"

However, I shall now reconsider my position. On the off chance that you actually believed your BS rebuttal, this technically would not make you a liar. It would make you an idiot.

The problem with THAT rational is that you have proven that you are not an idiot...so, I can't resolve that.

Oh, but I AM!
I march to the drum with an Archerian beat, I must be completely useless and braindead.

I are sooooooooo stupeed.

I mean, I actually used a life lesson all the way back from boy scout camp to know your statement of absolute was incorrect.

How many times have you fired a gun? Or are you taking your stance from what you saw on TV?
Look up the terms "hang fire" and "misfire".

It musta happened sometime for those terms to be even thought of, let alone documented.

That's where it all stems from. Instead of manning up and acknowledging the position as humans, we are blessed and gifted with prior knowledge and reason and can use these tools to not repeat stupid mistakes, you instead tried to sell a case for someone that isn't stone stupid intentionally firing a loading gun at their own face...as acknowledging the point of discussion at the time would have been a "loss"...one that wasn't worthy of handing over to "the enemy".

Yet you cannot use these tools to prove your claim?

If you can't, you're guilty of trying to make me look like a troll without any credence using the statement (and I paraphrase) "I asked you 2 times to stop calling me that".

That's it. That's all there is. That is a definitive disingenuous act...and could only not be construed as a lie if the person responsibe for said act was a complete and total idiot...which you, as I stated before, have proven that you aren't.

But  I am. You can tell by the amount of respect and discussion most of my posts get.

Its all here man.

Now, Again, I respectfully ask that you stop calling me "Special K"...as it is demonstrated that I am neither a breakfast cereal, nor mentally challenged or deficient as the colloquial moniker "Special" implies in the epitath manner in which you are using it.

Now that was the 1st time I've seen that, and will stick by my claim until you prove different.

It is over. A new day has come. Stop trying to pick fights with me and rehashing this issue or I shall be forced to report you to the moderators for harassment.

Thanks,

-K

Please do.

....and let's let Stephan weigh content vs. BS from both of us.

Step up.