Roll on the 20th June

[Sprocket]

I just don't understand the 'sissy-fits' he throws - yes, there has been 5-6 that appear to have signed up specifically to up the noise-level for distraction purposes (imo, this just adds credibility to what he's saying...) - BUT, WHY NOT JUST IGNORE THEM!  This site is just a distraction anyway, instead, disable emails, finish the machine, and update his own site.  Throwing a fit, trashing his site and telling us that the wheels' construction is now too complex for most (after initially stating the opposite) is not the way to go...

[Sprocket]

@Libra_Spirit:  Hi.  You seem to have a good understanding of the physics involved here.  Question:  the below quoted paragraph is from Archer site (or was, it's gone now...), which I thought was an honest mistake, but he insisted this is how 'real' physics works - just wondering what your take is on this...

here is a tip, a water turbine/generator at a local waterfall can generate vast amount of power when tons of water pour over the blades, yes???

the generator is so large (10 ton turbine )that to turn it must have one ton torque to turn it, but there is a drought, the local council puts in steps and a lift connected to the turbine , ten locals at 100 kgs each walk up the steps and step on the lift, the one tone weight of the locals turns the turbine until they reach the bottom of the steps again.

the local council guy sees this working and says hey instead of all the guys walking up the stairs, lets put 900 kg on the lift and one guy can walk up the stairs, they do this and it works once, as the 900 kgs, is now stuck at the bottom, so the local council puts in an arm on the side of the turbine with 900 kgs on one end and 900kgs on the other end, they position the arms at 1oclock and 7 oclock, there are 2 landings also at this point, a man steps on the end of the arm at 10 oclock and it turns round to 7oclock where he steps off and the next guy steps on the other end at one oclock and the wheel turns for as long as this happens. there is no physics in the world that can dispute this, nor any common sense. what science fails to realize is that i am turning a 10 ton turbine with one man weighing only 100 kgs. science always thought of Newton and the equation of pounds falling x gravity etc, and never did any equations exist for environment already existing. need to try this at home?

[CLaNZeR]

They are still on the server, just the links removed.

So if you have not already archived them then here ya go

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage2.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage3.html

http://www.surphzup.com/gpage4.html

Hey Ho!

Cheers

Sean.

[Morgenster]

@Libra_Spirit:  Hi.  You seem to have a good understanding of the physics involved here.  Question:  the below quoted paragraph is from Archer site (or was, it's gone now...), which I thought was an honest mistake, but he insisted this is how 'real' physics works - just wondering what your take is on this...

here is a tip, a water turbine/generator at a local waterfall can generate vast amount of power when tons of water pour over the blades, yes???

the generator is so large (10 ton turbine )that to turn it must have one ton torque to turn it, but there is a drought, the local council puts in steps and a lift connected to the turbine , ten locals at 100 kgs each walk up the steps and step on the lift, the one tone weight of the locals turns the turbine until they reach the bottom of the steps again.

the local council guy sees this working and says hey instead of all the guys walking up the stairs, lets put 900 kg on the lift and one guy can walk up the stairs, they do this and it works once, as the 900 kgs, is now stuck at the bottom, so the local council puts in an arm on the side of the turbine with 900 kgs on one end and 900kgs on the other end, they position the arms at 1oclock and 7 oclock, there are 2 landings also at this point, a man steps on the end of the arm at 10 oclock and it turns round to 7oclock where he steps off and the next guy steps on the other end at one oclock and the wheel turns for as long as this happens. there is no physics in the world that can dispute this, nor any common sense. what science fails to realize is that i am turning a 10 ton turbine with one man weighing only 100 kgs. science always thought of Newton and the equation of pounds falling x gravity etc, and never did any equations exist for environment already existing. need to try this at home?

To me it seems like a seriously flawed argument: the arm-lift thingy with 900kgs on each side would still require 10 men to move the generator.
I think he is mistakenly thinking that the momentum of the system will aid in adding force but when you apply one 100kg man you apply 100kgs of force, no more no less.
If this kind of reasoning is what makes him think his machine can work I'm betting that come june 20th his website won't be updated with a working model.
The ideas behind the machine itself are interesting but when I sincerely asked him how he decides on what weights for the arms and what strengths of magnets to use for any given configuration he throws a hissy fit and goes off to insult everyone (not that he doesn't do enough of that on his website).
So not only does he talk nonsense at least half the time, when asked for information that could aid replication he just simply throws up this spew of insults mixed with nonsense.
Red flags to me.

@ ramset: like stated above, all I wanted was decent information to aid replication and the guy just spews nonsense. Who the F are you to go out and criticize me for that. If someone here is giving potential replicators a hard time it's the Quinn himself.

[claya]

Here is the telegraphed answer everyone....From the last construction page ...http://www.surphzup.com/gpage3.html. (Still there) I don't really expect any more instructions. it was fun while it lasted. ca

>Surprise, instructions below now.

>Instructions.

...

> I will still be rebuilding my own and releasing plans on that date, but by then I expect many will have done the same thing.

> No creation of energy, no magic, and best of all no need for loss calculations, unless of course gravity stops altogether .

> Naturally if you are an engineer bearings on the rods at contact points etc to remove travel friction and so on.

> Make the rod sit to the right or centre, no politician or scientific bullshit story can ever make that happen. It really is over. Told ya so.