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Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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ramset

Graham Sweet Chet  PS However Larry will grow old looking for your build like Archers as you said you never bothered   you felt it a dead end  if I'm wrong or I missunderstood please correct me thanks ChetPPS OU careful with that or you could bring the plague over here
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

Rusty_Springs

Quote from: ramset on July 09, 2008, 07:10:03 PM
Graham Sweet Chet  PS However Larry will grow old looking for your build like Archers as you said you never bothered   you felt it a dead end  if I'm wrong or I missunderstood please correct me thanks ChetPPS OU careful with that or you could bring the plague over here
Hi Chet
The onepulse motor works and you can see it working at the site if you have a look, it needs an electromagnet as I have said because I couldn't cross the airgap with out one as I also pointed out this morning, I never said I had OU nor will I, maybe someone that knows more about electronics then me can work with the onepulse motor but I don't know enough to even try, the overlapping arcs may work with Archers retracting rods because you can overlap them to attract and underlap them to repel but I showed this at the begining of this thread and noone was interested.
Take Care Chet
Graham

PS: what you are seeing is half the design the full design was using poth side of the electromagnet in a horseshoe shape with two rotors running on the same axel and a faraday disk between them.

ramset

Graham this is cool I know you asked at the begining but that was a PM request you made and didnt sound like you had it as far as you show in this vid you need a PR man Chet
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

shakman

Quote from: purepower on July 09, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
First, reread my very first post. I accounted for the time difference. This changes power, not energy. I use more power for a short time, you use less power for a longer time. The two are identitical in terms of energy! Not force, not distance, not power. Energy!

Let me use a little example to try to help you understand work, energy, and power:

You are sitting at your desk and have a stack of papers to go through, and you want to figure out the best way to finish.

All of the papers are of the same difficulty (force). You have 50 papers to go through (distance).

Now, the total "work" you have to do is the amount of papers (distance) times the difficult of each paper (force). If the papers were easier, or if you had less of them, you would have less work. Agreed?

Now you can go through the papers two different ways. You can sit down and do it all at once (jumping up the wall), or you can go through it slowly doing a little at a time (ramp).

In either case, your work (or energy, different name for the same thing) remains the same. All you changed is how fast you went through it (power), making it seem "easier."

Get it? Good. Can we please get on with the show?..

-PurePower

@purepower
Glad to see you're being constructive. It is greatly appreciated by all.

Anyway, I always said you'd have me hands down in a physics/mechanics debate but sorry dude, I think you're missing the point, you are failing to look at the mechanics altogether.

If you are expending less energy at any one time in a perpetual cycle then this would be a good thing, don't you think?

So even if the end result of a single action as per your example may equate to (in as far as physics is concerned) the same amount of energy used, if you need to repeat the same action perpetually then it would make far more sense to do it the way that requires the least energy at any one time since time is not a factor... don't you think?

Okay, you will argue that the amount of work being done at any one time is far less, but I don't think this is really a primary concern in the initial design concept considering the ultimate goal is to achieve the perpetual momentum in the first place. Ya dig?

Now consider a wheel with multiple arms, all of them performing this action. If you achieve the perpetual motion, there's your torque. This may not be completely accurate but I'd say that the end result power output would be comparable to a multiple of the number of arms doing the work at any one time.

Feel free to correct me, I know you may need to on some points. But I just wanted you to open your mind to this idea. Time is not a factor worth considering if you wish to start a perpetual action. And start considering the mechanics side a bit more. The subject is closely linked to physics so you should already have a leg up. This machine will be using mechanical advantage.

Perform your example calculation but substitute 50 for infinity and calculate that for me... oh, you can't.

shakman

Rusty_Springs

Quote from: ramset on July 09, 2008, 07:30:06 PM
Graham this is cool I know you asked at the begining but that was a PM request you made and didnt sound like you had it as far as you show in this vid you need a PR man Chet
Hi Chet
That motor has been sitting there for years spinning every time someone wants to look, I didn't just get it going recently.
Take care Chet
Graham
PS: lol Chet yes I need a PR man hahaha