Roll on the 20th June

[eavogels]

[ im supprised no one has commented on this pic, it looks/seems very good, but id ge away from the *sliding* and try to use a swinging motion, i cant help but think that sliding = lots of friction., but hey i really dont know.

Look a bit like this as well: http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp

Eric.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

evening, morning, whichever it is for you.

Smokey, the closer the match the better, but you must have holes, not in the magnets, but if you set them on a larger surface that has holes (air pressure will kill you)

It seems the whole electromagnet part is difficult for most of you, but i did say you can do this with permanents, it is just difficult and easier at the same time.

Newtonian flaw number one. Never imagine the working machine and all of the components in your head and then try to build that or imagine that. instead build what you know is real, from what you have actually done before and do not use math ever!!!!

use trial and error system, or take a fulcrum off centre and add weights until it balances, Understand. i cannot give the same instruction to a million people all using different materials, so i will explain in a manner that makes you find what you need.

Ok, magnets are a source of energy yes or no?? if yes move on.

Ok, we all know about two magnets on a ring pole one suspending the other north facing north or south facing south yes or no??? if yes move on (if no to any answer ask someone on the site, each question on its own will be basic.)

so we understand that a rod on attached to the top magnet on this pole, (with suffienciently strong magnet of course) will also sit in the air yes or no?? if yes move on

if you tilt this to a 45 angle or 2 oclock this does not change yes or no??? if yes move on

if the base magnet is the outside of the wheel, and the upper magnet need to sit halfway betweeen it and where it is now for the rod to be centre of the wheel, the rod must be to the right yes or no?? if yes move on.

a magnet above this rod in an identical manner will assist this action yes or no??? if yes move on

the assistance depending on power may be distance of rod movement or extra weight bearing capacity yes or no if yes move on

noiw when a wheel turns with a magnet on the end of the arm, and it encounters a fixed magnet with the same polarity, you would think offhand it would reppel the magnet and rod fair to say?? yes or no?? if yes move on.

Now this does not actually happen because there is a wall, this is created by the side fields of the polarity itself and cannot under normal circumstances be breached true or false?? if true move on.

This is because if you increase the weight of the rod to have a powerful enough over rotation to break the field, the wieght is too great for the fields to lift and that component fails, it is circular, yes or no?? if yes move on.

the weight and speed are moot, the problem is power at the conatct point is eqaul to the "excess" weight, or in other words the difference in the weight now shifted, as a newtonian will tell you whatever the excess is, that is the only power down and back up.

so what is the trick??? change the rules.

any tube that is sloted can have an L shaped extension on the rod, "not" the arm, rotation is from the excess shift not heaveier arms, if the rod itself extends past the magnets with a simple right angle piece of stainless. what happens?

does the entire weight shift if connected to the rod?? yes or no?? if yes move on

if the extension piece now creates an over rotation of a heavier power than that equal to the point of the firing, is the weight which was weaker than the wall now greater than the wall??

well this is what most of you will not know and start resorting to math again.

let me save you the trouble. the weight or power of the wall barrier is now inside the circle not on the outside, and has little power by comparison. i will show you

take a fulcrum or wheel arm about 4 foot long centre at 2 feet and weight one end so you can just lift it from ground with your finger pushing down. now cut one foot off the end in the air and try to do it now. you can't, power is distance from the central axel point, the graeter the distance, the greater the power against the inner, now extend your arm to 3 feet and you are back to leverage, extending the arms will do nothing, but extending the lever whicjh is really all the rod is can break the wall.

and your machine is now complete.

wasn't really that hard was it??

Sorry about all the lessons guys, but if someone just comes out and says, hey i really am the smartest guy on the planet, and i built this, would you really have come this far, that you fully understood everything but this last detail???


WOW, doesn't that make building it a whole lot easier??

To get your wall weight simply add weight to one side until you break it and use that on the rods, you wont quite need it all, as you have shift of the other weight toward centre also when they are fitted.

[tbnz]

So i'm also playing around with Archers ideas, my only confusion at this stage is the electro magnet, I have a bunch of questions:

1. How powerful does the electro-magnet need to be? i.e Does it need to be strong enough to lift the internal rod on it own or does it just need to create a 'minor' field for the permanent magnet on the end of the rod to bounce off, therefore the permanent magnet is doing the work?

2. What sort of power drain will this 'firing' take from the generator? i.e Will one partial rotation from 1 to 8 o'clock generate enough current to 'fire' this electro magnet at 8?

3. What should i make this magnet out of? Where would i find an I-Beam made of iron? What wire / number of windings would be required? (I guess this depends on what voltage / current the generator will produce)

Also, I imagine that the more arms you have the less power is generated before each is 'fired' per rotation. 1 arm = 1 fire per rotation but 3 arms = 3 fires per rotation, therefore 3 x the power required per roatation?

[The Eskimo Quinn]

read the post above yours

each arm has its own rotation, and is responsible for its own power.there is no circle the is an illusion, each arm must perform it's own job, so each has its own full rotation, you must never equate the items as one, or you will be trying to turn a wheel rather than simply rotate one arm, the fact there are multiples is actually moot.

[tbnz]

Hi Archer, yes, noticed you posted that while i was writing mine!  Thanks