Roll on the 20th June

[sm0ky2]

Hi Smokey2,
I am writing this from NZ where they are really ito wind and hydo
I did not infer anythingwith the word if...sorry. I think I know what you mean with the size. However there is more to the breakthrough to show it is possible.
Kind Regards
Mark

how to put this into words........

something like mine, the size of say... a Lawn Chair i dont think could light an LED, (maybe?)

to charge a AA battery, you would ned a wheel the size of your computer desk.

if you wanted to charge a 12v battery, the wheel the size of a cAR.

to power small lighting, or maybe ONE device in your house, your wheel would need to be as big as a house!!!

[ramset]

smOkey2
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your wheel would need to be as big as a house!!!
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Thats OK
The first Computers filled up houses,now it fits in your hand.
Thanks for sharing your hard work !
Chet

[markdansie]

@smokey2,
as some of my past girlfreinds have said ,size doesnt matter it is what you do with it (well it makes good for an urban myth anyway)
The main thing here smokey is not how much power it can overcome but can it overcome friction enough to run itself contineously. This in itself has never been achieved. My aim is to start of replicating what you have then take it from there.
By having a unit like yours it opens many doors on the understanding of not only how to view what surrounds us but of how to view thepossabilities
hope that makes sense
Mark
mark

[sm0ky2]

@smokey2,
The main thing here smokey is not how much power it can overcome but can it overcome friction enough to run itself contineously. This in itself has never been achieved. My aim is to start of replicating what you have then take it from there.
Mark

"never been achieved" is  an urban myth. this type of thing has been accomplished many times long before i came around.
and there are a lot better ways to do that, than this particular device.
What has kept me interested in ths one, is the fact that it uses gravity to run. even if i cant "do any work" with it, having a working gravity wheel is umm.....  i guess i see it as a "trophy" of sorts....
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Its actually kind of sad that the original threads Archer posted on are no longer in existence.... there was a lot of information he shared there that helped me build this thing.

the losses due to the friction are design specific, and can be relatively small compared to the magnetic field you must overcome to get it to run. but even the M-field isnt enough to stop gravity when this is set up right.
I'll explain some tests you can do to help you establish the operational conditions.

get 2 magnets, and place them in a tube, or cylinder-type thing
so that 1 floats above the other. then add weight on top of it.
you see that the magnet not only lifts itself, but also the extra weight, against gravity. keep adding weight until it can no longer lift it. that is the "mass" limitations of your particular magnet-set.

take some of the weight back off so its approx the weight of your rod, and measure the distance (height) of the lift. that is the "distance" your magnet-set can move the rod. and so you set your rod-stopping mechanism at this distance, or slightly further.
remember, you're moving at an angle, not straight up and down, so you can go a "little" further with it than the verticle test.

once you have this ratio established, attach 1 rod to a center pivot. with magnets mounted on the ends. and position the outer (lower) magnet where it would be around your wheel.
now, when you turn the rod, you see that it hits the "wall", entering into the magnetic field. now add mass to the other (upper) end of the rod until it overcomes this wall. (adjust the entry angle if necessary)
this is the "leverage" factor of your magnet-set.

now, without getting into a huge Archemidic discussion, lets just suffice it to say that you need to shift your rod, within the pre-determined distance, enough to create this same "Leverage" factor, without the extra mass. you need to add the other two arms to do this, then shift one of them off-centered to create the leverage. play with this until you come up with the right leverage that forces the next arm into the magnetic field.

once you do these tests, you will have all the knowledge you need when actually building your wheel. the rest is just logistics and design complications.

[mscoffman]

@sm0ky2;

One thing that confuses me is that your original picture shows the
magnetic array being below the wooden support arm. While your latest
shows the array as being above the support arm. There would seem to be
two “modes” of operation. One lifts the rotor arm early, counting on the arm
to topple over and carry the wheel around with it. The other waits until a rotor
arm is deep inside the magnetic array field and pushes it over when the arm
is nearly horizontal so the magnetic field doesn't have to lift the gravitational
arm weight, but only accelerates the momentum mass. Which worked?

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Don't worry about final machine design, as this is only a toy. But is for proof
of reliable operation. Also as I have stated previously if one has a battery
buffer sized for an electric auto the average household only needs
1.5KW continuous to support current electrical demand. As I expected,
the cost of battery packs is dropping rapidly as electric chassis vehicles
come online to be sold. Utilities need to step out of the hydrocarbon
combustion business or be sidetracked...I am willing to bet my old computer
CRT monitors and 8-track cassettes on it.