Roll on the 20th June

[DarkStar_DS9]

do you mean free energy from gravity? or free energy from magnets? there is no such thing. It's not an opinion. It's fact.

Funny thing, I always thought that hydroelectric power plants would somehow utilize gravity to generate electrical power.

As for the Archer-bashing: You are entitled to your own opinion, and you are very welcome to express it. You did that already, and although you may think that most / many / some people here are idiots I am pretty sure that everyone understood what you where saying (Archer == idiot), so there is no need to repeat yourself. After the 20th, you will have the opportunity to tell everyone "see? I told you so!" and feel very good about yourself. Until then I would like to enjoy my popcorn without the name-calling.... thank you.

[dirt diggler]

"The cult of Archer will parish in the hellfires of established physical laws."

that may be true, but who made it your job to fan the flames
try building something, then you can say it will or won't work.  till then all you have is faith in a system that say all that can be invented has been. blindly following an old system, without asking questions-that sounds like a cult to me. but to each his own eh?

[redriderno22]

Hi all

Archer, i have a question

do i need 3 tube/rods?

or will 1 or 2 work?

thanks

[sm0ky2]

actually, theres nothing in physics that disallows this scenerio.

a lot of people have a gross misunderstanding of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, what it means, and how it applies to actual systems.

thermodynamics doesnt state "perpetual motion is impossible" , people assume this on their own, because they cant comprehend thermodynamics and entropy.

With respect to this type of system, we have 2 interacting forces (gravitational and magnetic). The Gravational field presents a constant downnward force on all parts of the machine. - with leverage, this downward force can be turned into motive rotational force.    {  i.e. - imbalance of the wheel }

the magnetic field presents a temporary downward/upward force (of different magnitude than gravity) to different parts of the wheel, at different times.

the magnetic fields are interacting with the part of the wheel that is experiencing the gravitational force.
effectively altering the force imparted onto the wheel by gravity. This allows for a spontaneous imbalancing of the wheel. - thus extracting energy (aceleration) from the gravitational field.

the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not apply to this system, because it is not a "closed system". The energy of the system is constantly changing as a direct result of the machines environment.
(two superimposed force fields)

the (theoretical) result is a constant-strong downward force on one side of the wheel,
   and a constant-weak downward force on the other side. - this being a combination of the push/pull of the magnetic fields, and the leverage presented by the movement of the weights.

i've seen infinite energy come from a small system of interacting magnetic fields, if it were controlled and powerful enough magnets, it could be worse than any atomic bomb we've known,
without depleting the relatively smaller ammount of energy that it took to magnetize the materials.



While you sit there and proclaim that "perpetual motion does not exist" - i point to the stable atomic structures,  critical-mass events, the earths atmosphere,   the universe itself - and things of this nature that never stop moving, and/or increase in localized energy, resulting in much more than it started with.

and to the FACT that mankind has never sucessfully built OR tested a "closed system". such systems do not exist. even in space - our best attempts still gain/lose energy to outside systems.  Especially something we build ourselves here on earth - energy from any machine is interchanging with the energy from systems around it. 
-- Entropy describes the interaction where energy from the Machine, is passed into the environment.
(e.g heat, impact or light emmissions)


a system like we are attempting to build here, is governed by neguentropy - which is exactly the opposite.
we are extracting energy, via the conservation of momentum - gained through the misproportioned gravitational forces.

The laws of science Nor the physical laws of the universe do not prohibit this from occuring.

[Glassglue]

Aw 1sn0s it's no fun to call the stupid people stupid, cuz they just don't get it. The fun is in playing along with them.

But regardless, I'm glad the example of hydroelectic power was brought up because it is in some ways very similar to Archers and every other 'gravity wheel' throughout history. In essence hydroelectric is the same as the old time water wheel that powered the mills. Just as Archer proposes it could be imagined that the things are powered by gravity - that is the power of the falling water. However, what would happen once all of the water fell?  Without the input of energy from the sun to lift the water back up above the wheel again, the wheel would stop. Truly in that sense hydroelectic power is really solar power, which is ultimately the source of most power on earth.   Archers and all other wheels like it will stop because they have no source of energy, such as the sun. Magnets are not sources of energy people. Force is not the same as work. Get a freakin high school diploma so u won't waste ur lives repeating the same mistakes people have made for the past millennia.