Roll on the 20th June

[sm0ky2]

@ Mark D

i've been real busy lately, with the continually failing economy in the U.S., and me being smack dab in the middle of it, they have me working 16-20 hrs a day.
even the few minutes i take to post on here, im usually doing work at the same time...

ive been giving it some thought still, as to which direction i want to take this... i understand many of the problems with my original build, and what changes i need to make when rebuilding this thing.

but theres also a thing or two i need to understand about how it works before i get into doing that... because having a "new" wheel, minus all the problems this one has... does me no good if its "missing" an important feature that it needs to operate..
if that makes any sense

i also have an inkling to just keep pushing forward with the wooden one, and work around its difficulties.
i think a lot of that feeling is based on my original point, that this can be built out of litterally anything, junk, scrap, like Archer said in the very begining. He was absolutely right.
just my particular junk doesnt have a very long "lifespan" apparently.

even still, i have begun my scavenger hunt for the new components. despite two offers from people to "fund" my project, which i must decline ( i do appreciate the notion, but i cannot accept, thank you guys though). I will collect junk parts, and if i spend anything it wont be a large ammount, as i still believe this is not necessary.

we can build archer's device from free crap thats laying around and put it to good use. just have to use a little innovation and good planning.

So,. i think what i will do is have the new one sitting next to the old one, and continue to work on both. then i can compare their behavior. that seems like the most logical solution, to try and figure out what im missing here....

i think we covered most of the points above, there just seems to be one thing, and im not quite sure what it is... it may be something to do with where the rods "exit" from the fields and the gravitational domain takes control. i need to play with it some more when i get some time.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

FROM THE WEBSITE:

I am not sure if this is important, and perhaps is something I should have thought to mention 2 years ago, but as we were not building the original machine, I  did not consider it for permanent magnets. 

This notation on the original machine is as follows: when the rods/arms approached the arc and i touched the wires together, there was a slight delay before the rod fired, about 3 inches, not that it means anything to you as a distance, i originally thought it was the time it took to fill/charge the electromagnet with sufficient charge/power, however it may be unrelated to it even being an electromagnet, when you push a magnet toward another on a table top at the same speed as a wheel rotates, it takes time for the firing/repulsion to take effect, in fact the faster you go, the longer the gap to the point where you can touch the other magnet and it will fire away from the other from the compressed field, Not certain, but no one including myself has had note for this effect when building the wheel whether beneficial or not. in short two magnets on a table one moved close to the other slowly and the second will start to move at the same speed keeping the same distance with no other gain, when moved at speed the stationary magnet fires away, it would appear to me to possibly be the missing equation in “how” the energy is converted, the gravity is converted into momentum and the fast approaching speed converts that to magnetic field compression, into movement of the rod, into fall into additional gravitational; velocity/momentum, back into field compression.

[markdansie]

@smokey2
thanks for the update. It seems Murphy always gets in the way when I have a new project. Since I started to accumilate some items to do this I have had one oversaes and three interstae trips get in the way. I can relate to the long hours and finding time. Add to this family time (I am writing this on the banks of the brisbane river why my daughter is rowing)
i understand your way of thinking. I understand the longevity issues you had with your wooden model but its kind of a nice thought of getting it going again.
I have most things I need now and hope to start construction as well.
Mark

[sm0ky2]

@ Archer

what you are describing here is what i refer to as the "magnetic delay".

While a magnetic field propegates instantly (yes i said instantly, not at the speed of light as einstein predicted) there is a delay for the effects of the field change to affect matter in the changing field. in the case of magnets, this is a time-delay before they start to move from repulsion. This is also one of the two self-regulating speed controls this system eminates.

if the wheel gets to moving too fast, it can actually "skip" the firing of a rod, because of this delay. I observed this serveral times when during the times the device was operational. The momentum of the wheel still pushed it through to the firing of the next rod, but this "skip" slowed it back down again to allow this to occur. This did not always happen, and when it did, it was more frequent the longer the device ran. sometimes happening once every 4-5 rotations. It got moving "too fast" to fire, and the rod just went through in its lower position, sliding down from gravity once it got past the tipping-point.

the second self-regulating feature is the "wall" and "hang" that slows it down, caused from entering the lower field, and exiting the upper. which we discussed in detail a few pages back.

Between these two things, this device can never "run out of control" as i have seen a few people assume when analyzing it from an outside perspective. If it moves too fast, it will stop working, which in effect slows itself down, back into the operation parameters.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

I suppose whatever we call it, if you have also noticed it, then it is an effect that is in operation within the process of the machine, naturally the wall effect refers only to the permanent magnetic arc machines not electromagnetic arc machines, though after further study of the mayernik effect, which was as you know invented/discovered trying to find a booster system for the machine, i have had note for batmans video noted on my website on the mayernick page, that on close inspection of the film he had lowered the magnets away from the track at the end, not used weaker magnets which change the shape of the field, nor further apart as I and others had done to weaken the wall, it may be this alteration of a similar nature as would apply to the arc, naturally as the arc array is a polar right angle to the mayernik, the position change is not the same answer, yet a change there clearly must be.