Roll on the 20th June

[The Eskimo Quinn]

for those who had any remaining doubts, you all know i simply build from what my head says without any math as it is not my forte, this comment from the video on the net is newtonian math and i think it says it all.

"Excellent, this video actually shows over unity as it stands, likely the first of its kind in world history, basic math shows in the film something never achieved before, if it was a one metre lift requiring 1 kilowatt, then the fall would equal 1 kilowatt, even if it required a mechanical lift to 9 o’clock costing 500 watts it is still producing 1 kilowatt of fall, so it is still self sustaining. Well done."

[exxcomm0n]

Archer, good to see you back. Ducking questions and selling your "superior skills".

Ya wanna address the issue of your version of the SOG or frame 6:37 of the MA (Mayernik Array)?

C'mon, @ least try man.

Or...just keep doing what you have and proving you're full of ..it.

[infringer]

It seems to me that there is a score left to settle here, its easy to say "I have something that is perpetual motion" but to build it is problem up to current time. What I don't understand is how can you claim a working unit without first having a working unit? Many folks build stuff in there heads you are not a first believe... I guess it takes a special kind of person to go beyond the initial thought and think of any problems that might arrive from this imaginary build. Maybe it takes an engineer to over come the problems or tell you weather they can be overcame maybe not. To be useful something must be useable and to work something must be working.  While I agree pieces of a puzzle like this may prove important yes! And I do not dispute this.

Would I be semi correct here? Have we all not been down a similar road of thinking what if I did this would it work type thing...

I'll be honest I'd still like to see the working generator you promised to shock the world with but it appears as if you either know it cannot be done and have simply given up or that you are working on mustering up more support to have another go at it I will tell you one thing there is plenty of support that would follow you if you complete the device and it works as promised weather on june 20th of this year or a decade from now but don't expect that someone else will do your work to validate your claim initially it will be you that will have to show a working proof it is just the way it always goes. People will replicate and you will have the archurian world not a bad prospect if I say so myself there is much to gain for any FE device everyone is well aware of this.

-infringer-
www.mopowah.com

[bhaas]

Here is Smoky2's youtube sight.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sm0ky2#p/u

Couldn't one just bend that mag configuration partially around a wheel?
Then it would go round and round forever, or until the mags died.

Seems so simple IMO.

[sm0ky2]

Couldn't one just bend that mag configuration partially around a wheel?
Then it would go round and round forever, or until the mags died.

Seems so simple IMO.

from approximately at or around the horizontal line, the magnetic field
switches from upward repulsion to a downward repulsion, and the direction is counter to the direction of rotation caused by the lower array. from the verticle radius, the top-right magnetic array operates in the direction of rotation. If you notice in the original design, the arrays are placed on diagonal quadrants. pushing from below, and lifting from above.

its also important to note, that although the arrays do impart a small rotational effect onto the wheel, it is not the magnetic field that provides power to the wheel, but the gravitational one.
we are simply utilyzing the "lifting" effect of the magnets, to achieve more gravitational potential.


I'll try to break this down into the different systems, so it makes sense.

Magnetic System:
the opposing magnetic fields are conservative. one magnet lifts the other magnet to a height equal to the energy consumed by pushing the magnet into the field. in and out energy levels of this system are equivallent. we can tweak the fields on one end or the other to offset this slightly,. but at the end of the day, the fields are equal in and out.
magnet goes in, rod and magnet lift a few inches.

Archemedian (leveraged) System:
when the rod slides one way or the other, the mass of the rod offests the center of mass of the wheel, and this causes a rotational force in the downward direction from the point of greatest leverage.
in and out energy levels of this system depend on the gravitational vector. So it is tied into the gravitational system.
since the rod translates as it approaches the horizontal, the "input" energy decreases infinitely, at 90-degrees, it requires almost no energy to move the rod from one side to the other.
but once at that side, on the horizontal level, the leveraged power is at its maximum, and provides maximum torque to the wheel.
calculated by the archemedian theorems.

Gravitational System:
This system has equal energy levels in and out, E = mgh
the magnet is lifted however many inches, and that is the potential energy gained by the rod as the magnet lifts it.
This energy, however, is leveraged. So as it translates into momentum on the wheel, it is multiplied by the archemedian factor.
like pushing one person further back on the see-saw, the other person goes up to the top, even though they weigh the same.

The momentum of the wheel from the upper, leveraged rod end, caused by gravity on it's way down, translates the gravitational output energy, back into the input energy of the magnetic system.
the mass and the velocity of the wheel, at the entrance into the magnetic field, can be grossly misproportionate to the input/output of the magnetic field. The two systems are entirely unrelated, except by a common change-in mass factor.

the ratio of      m(rod) : m( wheel +rod)
  defines this misproportionality between the systems.

the gravitational system is interlinked to the magnetic system by the equation E=mgh of the rodd mass m(rod).

This is entirely unrelated to the input/output energies of the magnetic system, at close distances. The energies become more discrete at the limits of the field where gravity is the dominant force. Gravity is measured as a potential, at maximum lift, rather than a force throughout the lift.
because of the missing time factor, the two values are not coherent.
At close distances, where the magnetic field is stronger than gravity,
gravities effects can only be measured comparatively by lifting different masses through the field. The strength of the field is determined by distance between the two magnets, irrespective of time.
And the rate of translation is a factor of mass to distance, irrespective of time.

The energy of gravity leveraged on the wheel is measured over the time as the mass drop from its lifted-most point, downwards to its lowest maximum.

the energy of the wheel is a function of its momentum imparted by the gravitational energy, up to the point it enters into the magnetic field.

what is important to note here is that this is at or around a point of gravitational balance of the wheel itself. Leaving the magnetic system to consume as much of the wheels momentum as it wants to, in a direct energy translation slowing the wheel. The effects of leveraged gravity at this point is 0. none, zip, nada...
gravity is not in the equation during this point.
Any remaining monentum goes into the "pendulum-like" action of the wheel continuing to spin, as the rod approaches leveraged balance.
if the rod does not approach and/or cross the balance point before the momentum is consumed by gravity above the wheel's balance point, then it would swing back down the other way, and out of the magnetic field.  This point is at or around the horizontal line.. and coincidently at the point where the magnetic array begins to have the opposite effect and must be cut-off.

the upper(attractive) magnetic array is not necessary, but can be used to lift more mass, or to more accurately adjust the translation of the rods to increase the extraction of gravitational energy.
this translates directly into increased torque on the wheel, by increasing the m(rod) factor, disproportionately from the magnetic field energy. but also adds another gravitational "input" as it leaves the upper attractive field. The input/output of the upper array is a complex integration of the lower field, gravity, momentum, and its own attraction to the m(rod).
Basically makes the magnetic system into a dual-magnetic system.
Rather than the much simplier / less powerful single lower array.

Ultimately the gravitational system and the magnetic system are not tied together, but independently effect the momentum of the spinning wheel. In a misproportionate manner.

like. umm...  a fieldmouse standing next to a mack truck?

the fieldmouse ate some berries that gives him enough energy to run down the block to the redlight.
the truck gets its much larger self there, by using an ammount of gas 3 times the size of the fieldmouse, 300 times the size of the berries.

you cant compare those two systems, because they are not related.
nor is the magnetic field, and its input/out related in any way to te gravitational effects of the leveraged mass plus the mass of the wheel.
except by the momentum of the wheek, which is used as a medium for the transfer of energy back into the first system.

we can (theoreticaly) tap into at the shaft of the wheel, though i have not seen archer actually achieve this.