Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

Exx
Nice ,Feels like the old days ,SmOky is right ,this is like a crowbar in the door
we've never been this way before!

A game changer !

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Exx if I may say one thing [maybe 2]
Anger.........
Its a pill you take expecting it to make other people sick...but it only makes "YOU" sick  [and it will]

Same thing with Hate!

The mind that brought us here ..............I like to think there's more
There..........Don't hate the messenger and love the message!!

TOLERANCE


I love the message ,,,I see things differently now.
  Thanks to SmOky I have a better "Grasp" ,And I also find myself looking at other devices with a more Discerning eye.

"A game changer"
         

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Exx
My daughters Having a baby today {I hope  36 hrs so far no baby..}

I'll be studying your recent post  ,

Thanks
Chet

[mscoffman]

This was an interesting diversion and brought the
introduction of new mechanics into the attract/repel lift effect.

Right now it's the "flipper dealy".

One idea that user Wattbuilder came up with is to use a magnet traveling within
a coil with an electrical switch shorting it as a kind of a self-powered delay or
damper or brake mechanism. It wouldn't be a perfect mechanical latch. But it
would allow standard electrical components and methods - wire, switch and
maybe a slip ring connection to be used in for the actuation function.

It doesn't get rid of the entire actuation delay either but could be tuned.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Exx if I may say one thing [maybe 2]
Anger.........
Its a pill you take expecting it to make other people sick...but it only makes "YOU" sick  [and it will]
Same thing with Hate!
The mind that brought us here ..............I like to think there's more
There..........Don't hate the messenger and love the message!!
TOLERANCE
I love the message ,,,I see things differently now.
Thanks to SmOky I have a better "Grasp" ,And I also find myself looking at other devices with a more Discerning eye.
"A game changer"
         
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Exx
My daughters Having a baby today {I hope  36 hrs so far no baby..}
I'll be studying your recent post  ,
Thanks
Chet

Ain't no hate goin on, but I'm still cutting Crooker no slack, and the "TOLERANCE" train ran outta coal a lot earlier in this thread.

As to the "game changer", Oh hell no!
It's not a game changer as the idea has been out there for about 3 years waiting for anyone to look at it again, and it still don't mean anything until someone is able to use it successfully. I just warped it ever so modestly.

My best wishes for your daughter and grand-baby during this time. I hope that everything goes uneventfully and swiftly!

One idea that user Wattbuilder came up with is to use a magnet traveling within
a coil with an electrical switch shorting it as a kind of a self-powered delay or
damper or brake mechanism. It wouldn't be a perfect mechanical latch. But it
would allow standard electrical components and methods - wire, switch and
maybe a slip ring connection to be used in for the actuation function.
It doesn't get rid of the entire actuation delay either but could be tuned.
:S:MarkSCoffman

I've been thinking along the same lines and will post the clarification of that idea and where it applies in the previously posted linup, but thanks for your input and the concepts it brings to the discussion!

I'll have to digest them and let them stew as from what I've previously shown, I need to let ideas stew for a while before they gel into something coherent.

Keep commenting please if you have insight or ideas!

Now, back to our scheduled programming............

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A - 2.) The woopy coil - For those not familiar, this was a thread about using a "U" shaped coil for drive of an electrical motor ultralight. I'm wondering if the advantages and gains found over a "normal" coil for motor operation will also show up when used for electrical generation.

Sorry it took so long to get this post up as I had to go through the thread found here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6727.0

...to make sure I remembered the outcome correctly. It's only 4 pages but woopy (Laurent) is not a native english speaker and as good as his english is, there is still a little work to deduce the complete meaning of it. My failing, not his.
This thread generated great interest and had a lot of people participating, but for some reason on the 4th page woopy posted some questions and the thread....died.
I have no clue why all interest suddenly went away as it was a neat concept that seemed to have a lot of promise and experimentation left to look at.

Now around the same time there was a post on OU that had the same subject as this link I think:

http://changingpower.net/articles/plane-crash-kills-team-who-embraced-game-changing-motor/

....referencing this patent:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20100084938.pdf

Now if you take a look at both the woopy thread and this patent you'll see that they both have the same root premise of using a coil that envelopes the magnet it effects (or that the magnet effects the coil in generation mode) with some purportedly great effects in the amount of electricity produced when used as a regenerative motor.

This patent seems to say that there are 2 major factors that allow this type of behavior:

1.) Coil winding - this patent winds the coil in a very non-standard fashion that is difficult to duplicate, but might show some of the interesting effects claimed in the patent.

2.) Motor pulse controller - Now this is the "black box" part that seems to allow the configuration in the patent to achieve the output/gains reported in the patent.

The woopy thread seemed to be heading in the same direction until it died its untimely death due to disinterest I guess. I was very interested in this thread, but did not post to it as my level of electronics knowledge is really REALLY basic, and these guys (woopy, Yucca) were playing w/ programmable Audrino controllers and stuff.

WAY outta my league!

I am but a simple stoner that mashes the PlayDo (child modeling "clay") of others ideas
together in hopes of seeing something different or new, and in this case the mashing of ideas ONLY (there has been no testing outside of the most very basic to demonstrate Lenz law and stuff) comes to using the Regenerative Motor and Coil (RMC) winding type in the woopy coil form.
Also, the RMC modular design is a pretty tasty feat of engineering, me likes!

Now, to be clear, I'm only interested in the (re)generative properties of the RMC design, and both the patent and the woopy thread seem to say that there is a benefit to having the coil effect 3 magnets at a time instead of just one passing through the center.

How can you have 3 mags effect the coil without the torsion effect messing w/ you and making it all crash into a horrible mess?

Well, if you took static rods with (bigger?smaller?) magnets on the ends extending to the same maximum travel as the moving rod mounted every hour or so around the wheel (every 15 min. if it could drive that!) and have that provide a "steady" trickle current that is pulsed by the rod end magnet 6 times per revolution it might all add up to something worthwhile.

The implementation of this idea is waaaaaaaaaaay down the road as you have to get the wheel turning before you think about how to tap any excess energy.

I'm just doing them in the order I posted.

No pics in this post as both the thread and patent are rich with them.
Check 'em out!

<next slide please>

EDIT: Now that I think about it a little more there could be an easy jig to build that you could make a bunch of single wire flat coils with and then just stack them by flipping each layer 180 degrees and joining them at the axle or the outside of the coil.
Just a thought.

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B - 1.) The solid axle pivoting on it's ends - this removes (most) of the rod offset issues having to do with the "spindle on a post" axle design, or maybe just embedding a bearing in the wheel faces (more below) and using the bearing assembly to hold the wheel faces together.

Now if you go back a few pages you'll find that I was peddling this idea to Smoky, who had already engineered in a different direction and so was not that interested, but I think it still greatly lessens the rod interference issue at the hub of the SR.

Go back and look, it's all there. If you have questions after reading that I'll try to answer them as best I can.

Anyway....here's an ultra simple graphic to make clear what I'm proposing in the posts that doesn't have a pic yet.