Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I've been listening to this magnets don't do work thing and I thought I would add my 2 cents worth with an experiment, this experiment was shown in the forum about my Trigate and it goes like this, you get a bar magnet with a steel ball on each end and place it on a ramp then let it go it rolls down the ramp and keeps going along the level surface until it runs out of energy at which point you mark where it stops, do this as many times as you like to get a true reading of where the energy from your hands moving the magnet into place and gravity run out once you have that reading now using the same magnet and ramp do it again but this time add my Trigate you will see that the mark is further on, do it as many times as you like you will get the same reading the mark will always be further on so where did this extra energy come from, you have already by the first experiment ruled out your hands and gravity
the only thing left is the magnetic force from my Trigate magnets.
I don't think Archers device will work but thats just what I think I saw a flaw in Dusties video and thats with out the repelling magnets there, to me the flaw was it uses gravity to break the attraction pull back and that force is weak because if its not setup just right as Dusty shows then it won't leave, going on that if you do get the thing spinning once you add a load it will stop at the attract back spot because it will be to much for Gravity to push it through, if you are using electromagnets you can fix that problem by adding power to your electromagnet but this means you need to get even more power back making it even harder to be OU, oh by the way on earth you can never make anything spin for ever because most things will use bearings and with time wear and tear bearings will break or cog, you maybe able to make something spin for years but you will never make something spin for ever.
One last thing with my Trigate I put a magnet on a toy car and let it go it moved into then out of my Trigate so I moved a wieght from a to b using just permanent magnets.
Take Care All
Graham

[onesnzeros]

what this guy is seeing is an exmple of extended use of leverage, the fact he has an object now doing work it could not do with the same pressure one on one is an example of what a lever can do, if only someone could work out how to seperate the energy from that lever he would have a pedulum. Don't worry mate, there are things in the works that will help you beyond you imagination for exectly that purpose.

I think there may even be a few people who know exactly what i am talking about For the few who do, you now see how many applications the lever can extend to in mechanics.

Archer I, know exactly what you're talking about. You want to get rid of big oil. But what about all the eimpoyees? What will they do for work? And look at what oil prices are doing for our economy. Aren't you afraid of dooms day?

1n0s

[The Eskimo Quinn]

the actual perfect answer to newtonian rubbish, each and all agree that the magnet can be moved, they only stop when the magnet get stuck, "oh yeah mate it moved it but it stuck"

you just cut you own throat, you are right it did move it, and theirn in lies the flaw in newtonian math versus mouth.

Get them on another forum telling you how smart they are, and they will explain in great detail how power equals power and a magnetic field is equal in KW power weather permanent mags are use or electro mags are used correct, every science book in the world backs them up correct.

you are fucking right it is correct morons, that why it proved the electromagnets work, fuckwits, ooohh now let me see??? sticking is it?, well fuck me if you cant turn an electromgamet on and fucking off.

NOW that just ended their bullshit forver, because that is their fucking science.

oh and bearing wearing out?? fucking please what you think anyone will care they have to replace titanium bearings every thousand years, mecahnics failing is not physics failing. bugger off.

[dixiepnum]

Hello everyone,

I spent three hours discussing theoretical physics today with one of my genius friends. Here's the question I'm hoping someone can answer:

What are the distinct components that are bringing energy into the Eskimo's system, and how are they doing it? Can we build an itemized list?

For example,

1) if eskimo is suggesting we are using gravity to create energy that does work in the system, then gravity is one...
2) if we are using magnets in the system as energy-stores or effectively batteries in this system, then that's two...
3) if we are using several magnetic fields against each other to create some type of flux energy, then that's three...

Also, are there any detailed drawings somewhere, more detailed than I've seen here that show a complete pictorial of all the working components?

Another question: please assess this hypothesis...

if the system is simply using batteries as energy-stores to counteract the effect of gravity from 7pm to 1am, there is no net gain in system energy in the 'over-unity' sense. Simply put, the magnets introduce new energy into the system, but these will effectively run out of energy over a very long time. They are simply a charged battery with a long lifecycle.

It's not clear to me, without detailed specs, where new energy is being brought into the system. I'm not worried if the source is from some unexplained phenomena, but I want to identify the source, separating it from the other system components....

thanks for your help!

Dixie

[exxcomm0n]

@bradpitt

Sorry bud. I have neither the time, nor talent.

You have better than a computer model right now. You showed it to us.
Do you want it (the computer model) to figure the ratios and coefficients and the like?

You can do it.
The way I would (and god and all the little fishies know that it's probably wrong 8 ways from Sunday) do it is like this.

You need a postal scale of either the table top type, or the dangly opposing weight type.

Push on the small lever and mark a place on the curved chair arm at the top of the lever/wedge ability to make the edger move. Use the very top of the lever to push on.

Now use your scale and push/pull at that same spot you used to make your marking earlier, and note the maximum amount of weight shown on the scale during it's push/pull to the lever to move the edger to the mark.

For measuring "brute force" movement of the edger a dangly scale is best. That way you can attach a string to the bottom of the edger handle so it can realize it's natural potential to be it's own fulcrum because it's a cylinder and pull the string with the scale. Note the maximum wieght when moving the handle to the same mark.

I see these (mistakenly) as how many pounds of force it takes to move the object.

Now this is the part where I get schtupid, and I'm going to make a lot of assumptions about the outcome.
Using the lever is less than just pushing the handle.
You divide the big number by the small number to get a quick and dirty idea of how many times the amount of force is needed with one method versus the other to move the same work object the same distance.



If you want foot/pounds type of measurement, you'll have to ask wikipedia how to do that.
Quick and dirty usually works for me.