Roll on the 20th June

[infringer]

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Legendare
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Power generation is mostly a source and magnets....

Solar is one gaing lots of ground I might add...

Piezoelectric ? Do they actually use this for any signifacant power generation I'm sure there is chemical reactions that would do it too... I don have some rochell salt myself but to actually generate a lot of power from it would be quite a feat unless your using it to light up stuff in your shoes well possibly other low energy things I dont see how great it would be but then again I would love for it to be! I'm sure its possible but its not likely.

Electromechanical??? Electromagnets technically still a magnet being used...

Geothermal is nice as well but dont the heat differnce still generate power from magnets?

Fuel cells take electricity to make the fuel to begin with

So yes ok there is two things that I am aware of but I am new to energy science though I do read quite a lot I am quick to say something without really thinking on it my apologies for over looking two of these things...

But magnets are the driving thing behind power generation lets face it without them we'd either be far advanced in solar tech or still living like we have in the 18th century one or the other errr imagine no alternator in your car whew!

Anyhow technicalities always seem to catch me when I fail to elaborate...

But I am interested to hear just how thermal is being used without magnets for large scale power generation I know there is something they were using like some device that releases energy from differnce on 1 end of the device and the other... But last i checked the power generation was pretty poor... What is this device called again?

Electro mechanical please explain a usage that does not use magnets/electromagnets to generate power not to be a sarcastic prick but hey this is interesting stuff energy science and the more I can learn the better way I see it!

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To all the negative folks in the thread no one in specific:
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The chances of this project amounting to anything are as good as any other thread on OU I dont understand why people single this thread out though?

Goodey we get the point though you dont think this thread is worth wasting our breath, time, and sweat on correct?'
Then humble me as to why you keep visiting the thread...?

To me it seems as if some are trying to force Archer to give up, or simply release his theory early because they are impatient to see the end of the story...

Relax wait a whole 20days! Then you wanna sling shit sling all of it you want untill then why not be productive instead of counter productive?

You dont like the thread dont read it why let it bother you or get under your skin?

Step the frick back unless you have something productive to say why waste your time on something that in your mind is a waste of time and yet complain all the while that were wasting effort and time.

WHEW TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITS!

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Archer
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Will you still be displaying the wheel as well as the fulcrum I am more interested in generation of power from the wheel then anything. Which was the original plan and the designer would know the design best.

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Excomm & Chet
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Thanks for sticking around guys and putting up with all the negative remarks while not 100% gaurentee that this all will work as planed, we all realize something can be learned from this thread possibly something extremely little like the weedwacker video or other things.

[Glassglue]

Entertainment, baby!  That's what it's about.  Archer is a showman, if not an engineer or scientist.  I can't wait to see what stupid thing he will say next and what clever way he will mangle simple, basic physics,  all the while boasting outrageously about how brilliant he is.  It's entertaining to figure out just how and where his prolific ideas are flawed, and it's been educational for me to refresh myself on stuff I first learned in grade school.

Other supporters of Archer, while not as showy, are also entertaining with their creativity.  And it's fun to see Chet fawn over his new hero. 

And then there is the refreshment of hearing educated, thoughtful people like L and Zerotensor carefully untangle the ridiculousness point by point.  There is a fair amount of effort being put into both sides of the debate.

And of course it's fun just to see how he will insult me, the others, and of course Newton and Einstein next. And how many times he can use 'fuck' in a single sentence, lol, it's like being in college again.

That's what keeps me coming back.  Although it is getting a little repetitious at this point. 

[exxcomm0n]

My point was, that in an ideal compass, the needle never actually has to move. The needle is a point of reference, a fixed datum, and the housing of the compass moves around it. It takes no energy to keep the needle in position, as movement is resisted by the force of the Earth's magnetic field. The needle of the compass is doing no useful work; in fact, it never moves.

A compass that never moves?
What use is that?
If it moves in reaction to external forces, that's all the work I need for it to do.

(From Wikipedia)

The Seebeck effect is the conversion of temperature differences directly into electricity.

Seebeck discovered that a compass needle would be deflected when a closed loop was formed of two metals joined in two places with a temperature difference between the junctions. This is because the metals respond differently to the temperature difference, which creates a current loop, which produces a magnetic field. Seebeck, however, at this time did not recognize there was an electric current involved, so he called the phenomenon the thermomagnetic effect, thinking that the two metals became magnetically polarized by the temperature gradient. The Danish physicist Hans Christian ?rsted played a vital role in explaining and conceiving the term "thermoelectricity".

The effect is that a voltage, the thermoelectric EMF, is created in the presence of a temperature difference between two different metals or semiconductors. This causes a continuous current to flow in the conductors if they form a complete loop. The voltage created is of the order of several microvolts per degree difference.

But there is no magnetic effect? Even as the electricity travels from the heated junction to the voltage bearing end? You did this measurement?

So I can have electricity without magnetism, but I can't use the electricity without it.
Seems about as useful as the non-moving compass.

But where in the production of this electricity (that is, the electrical potential or voltage, which is a form of potential energy..) is magnetism present? Note that energy was input in the form of heat, not a changing magnetic field.

<see above>

Not really sure exactly what you're asking, here. There are established techniques for increasing or decreasing the inductance of an element in an electrical circuit.. but how is this relevant to the current points?

True. You caught me thinking about a personal hypothesis, and not something that's been established as a scientific fact, while thinking about another concept.
Point conceded.........this time.

What are you talking about? In a bi-polar power supply, 'ground' looks negative from the positive rail - BUT 'ground' looks positive from the negative rail. Ground is wherever you decide to put it.. as in older UK vehicles, which had a positive ground system (battery + tied to chassis).

I'm talking about electrical ground (negative was the prime example that came to mind). Why is one referred to as ground?

You're quite big on unfounded conclusions, aren't you? Pure crap.

How are yours founded? You did these things you talk about, or read them?

Show me your magnetic readings (or lack thereof) of a thermocouple please.

[exxcomm0n]

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Excomm & Chet
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Thanks for sticking around guys and putting up with all the negative remarks while not 100% gaurentee that this all will work as planed, we all realize something can be learned from this thread possibly something extremely little like the weedwacker video or other things.

You're welcome, and thank you.

No worries man.
I have never said that this could not fail to appear, but I will ALWAYS give a man a right to make good on his word, and see it as a sad thing that some others can't.

I'm building what I can from the description he's left here and have yet to have it work, but I'm not waiting for his blueprints either.
Another poster said he had gotten it working, and I'll try his suggestions.

Either it will work before his release date, it will work after I copy the blueprints, or it won't work.

Either way I'll have learned as I left the comfort zone of what I'd been told or read, and tried it myself.

That is the payoff.

P.S. Thanks for your other comments as well!

[1234aware]

I feel like a UN peace keeper 
You guys are arguing about the same thing I think you just need to read each others posts a little more carefully.

What is the relationship between electricity and magnetism? Can you have one without the other? Can one create the other? What is the relationship with gravity?
What is work versus Work? I can sit at my computer all day and never move did I do any work?

The English language is imprecise as it is so you have to try hard to get tone/humor/knowledge transfer in a type written form.
All we can do is try and advance a real dialog as you never know what might happen (the old million monkeys typing on a million keyboards analogy not to offend any monkeys or anyone else).

I think it is great that individuals learn about math/physics and construction all in one place.