Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi infringer
Theres two reason 1: I only want people that are truely interested to hear it and 2: I have no working model to show so I will not post anything with out proof.
Take Care infringer
Graham

[ramset]

Infringer very true as there is NOTHING to be gained by keeping secret with Archers wheel idea   I think the folks you mentioned had good results [breaking the wall] on one stroke but don't have it all sorted out yet Chet PS Fletcher you were talking about Borgs idea ?

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi ramset
I don't really what to debate this but I showed two permanent magnet gates on the net, both with drawing and videos both worked with out gravity so breaking the sticky point with gravity is no big deal to me.
Both my gates can be proven but do they lead to a motor No just because you can attract and repel through a gate or in this case use force to break through attraction doesn't mean you have a motor.
Take Care ramset
Graham

[fletcher]

Chet .. yes, I was talking about the internal curved ramp idea [b0rg13] but the parallels are there.

[legendre]

@legendre,

You seems like a smart person so I have a question for you. If I construct a standing race track for a small toy car as shown in the attached drawing. The toy car is permanently attached via an arm to the center driveshaft. (...)

Since the first system is relatively easy to understand, we can cut to the chase and look at the second. The motor and magnets are just for illustrative purposes, so we'll look directly at the system which you propose.

If you were able to create a zone from 7 o'clock to 3 o'clock where all external forces were canceled and thus produced no net torque on the rotor (in this case, an arm) then this system would experience a net positive acceleration, and increase in speed to the physical limits of the system.

Unfortunately, such a system cannot be constructed. Both gravitational and magnetic fields are conservative; neither are sources of energy nor can they perform useful work. You give a little, you get a little.. and vice-versa.

If you want to look at your example another way, shift the rotor to the horizontal plane, and replace gravity vs. magnetism with magnetism vs. magnetism. And as you well know, you're going to get stuck at that pesky 'sticky point'; always under assault, but never surpassed.

The sticky point exists for a good reason.. nature is a mindful accountant, or so it seems. You have to get up very early in the morning to fool nature, possibly before morning ever dawns.

Not like we don't have a few tricks up our sleeves, but this example isn't among them.

-L