Roll on the 20th June

[infringer]

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TPU COMMENT
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First off I must say kudos to the TPU boys if what is said is true...

There are a few people left out though grumpy zerotensor and err even sparks have contributed a lot of time and thought into the project.

Dont forget to give these folks a hand as well if it is possible...

If OU is possible electronicly it is also possible mechanically! No two ways about it.

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20th June Comment
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Call me a cheerleader call me whatever you like but I want to see this thing come through.
Everyone knows OU is achiveable at these forums and maybe this is a possible way.

GO ARCHER!

I'm with the build team sorry to the folks with all the book smarts but arrogance can sometimes lead to ignorance and saying OU is not possible with gravity and magnets is fairly arrogant espicially when you are not even attempting to physically debunk these claims!!!

There is quite the differnce from being arrogant and a prick while archer may be a prick it is arrogance of others that have made him this way I believe weather it works or not the benifit of the doubt should be given to someone who lays down a claim they should be given there chance fail them or not.

I know this may hit a sore spot with some of the book smart folks but hey honesty dosent hurt and if you cannot be honest with yourself and admit you want this to work as much as I do then you are simply liar number one not even speaking truth to yourself.

Sure this might not add up here or that might not add up there but truth is not everything in life adds up and I am rather sure that if OU was achived it would baffel the hell out of everyone even the mathmaticians and book worms... And really if OU did add up I believed it would be achived already OU is anomalous then one can draw this conclusion just from reading about it it is a Red Herring ...

Archer you forgot a few dropkicks in your previous statements...

Dusty you are comming along fairly well from the looks of things best of luck to you.

I know one hellacious way to debunk drag dunno how to make it work but if someone could build a working model in a fish tank lets say or a pool under water then surely it could handle a load

Anyhow, life is too damn short lets make it happen in our lifetime fellas weather its a gravity wheel or a gust of wind I have an itching feeling that OU can be achived in our lifetime... We are at the start of a new century and possibly a bright future lets not ruin our lives or the ones that live after us because we feel the need  to express our own selfish biggotry.

With that said all have a nice day.

-infringer-

[dirt diggler]

Either I got his invention wrong, or it is simply 1) not an invention and 2) something used way before not only for heating air, but also in other situations: for example one car that my fathers had some 25 years ago, bought used, an old NSU car (german), an "antique" (made in the 50s or 60s) got at the exhaust autput in the motor, a hose that took part of such gases and reinjected them in the carburator, in order to use the excess of gas and heated air, for a better overhall performance. SAME THING.

I'm pretty sure that that "performance enhancer" that you are refering to is call an EGR, exhaust gas recycler. has nothing to do with performance, well actually it does, it reduces performance, and efficancy because of the hot air being forced into the intake.  it's purpose is for emissions, and all cars since sometime in the "60's have had em.

[dirt diggler]

All this thinking about the past brought up a question: remember all those early 20th century farm engines that were a really, really heavy flywheel, powered by a very low powered single cylinder 2 stroke diesel engine. they could run the whole farm on those things, pumping water, making hay bales, splitting wood, whatever.  now it seems to take a huge tractor, with a couple hundred horsepower to do the same thing.  I know many people who restore these old engines and have seen them run alot, it is very impresive what a small amount of power can do with a heavy flywheel.
obviously there are many similarities to what we are trying to do here, a small load, added to a big load, can do things that the small load could never do on it's own.

[sm0ky2]

That "russian guy w/ a pendulum" i believe is the yugoslavian (sp?) Veljko Milković, currently a resident of serbia, where he works with a company that produces Water Pumps, using his design.

The Children, represented in the pictures - was to show that the action of the pendulum requires so little energy that even a child can do it.
His system has been discussed exhaustively in at least 2 threads on this forum somewhere,
i personally logged over a dozen hours of integration, to discover that the decay of pendulation corresponds precisely with the power out at the end of the secondary fulcrum. It is not overunity, but DOES make a unique use of the otherwise-lost energy of a pendulum in motion, by utilizing the downward force on the pendulum, when it is changing verticle direction. - this energy is normally lost to stresses on the shaft of the pendulum, and the point where it connects to the fulcrum
this occurs at 6:00 when the system is at Vmax, and verticle acceleration switches from its max negative to its max positive. 

If things like this were used in every-day equipment and machinery, our energy consumption would be a fraction of what it is today... But, then again - why go through all that trouble? gas is only $3.80/gallon
lets just waste it...

I'm off to the beach, construction begins on my wheel after the weekend.  I think im going for about 20-inches or so diameter.  like 32-inch rods (with the extended weights on them).  Sliding mechanism will probably be small rings instead of "tubes" to reduce friction [still tossing that one around].  LOTS of weight. im going for small, but massive, try to get the most for the size.

[capthook]

So ? (when) the wheel is completed ? time to generate some electricity.

But the RPM?s are too slow ? so a pulley (or gear) setup is needed.

Having never done a build with a proper pulley setup ? I?m a noob with this aspect.

What is the best/most efficient way to do the pulleys?

A) V belt, flat belt or cable style pulleys?  (I vote Vbelt)

B) Ratio. 1:4 ? 1:8 ? 1:12 (1:4 is the cheaper/more manageable option ? but is it enough?)
So like a 12? pulley connected to a 3? pulley connected to (a) generator (of your choice/build)

C) Mounting:
1) fixed shaft with a bearing in the pulley ? like an idler pulley.
You (I ) can?t (seem to) get a 12? idler ? so can you properly mount a bearing inside a 12? pulley?
2) rotating shaft with pulleys fixed to shaft.  Then what kind of bearings at the support ends?  Press fit?  Pillow block? Self-aligning needle roller?
What about a bushed pulley?

And which option between 1 and 2 would be the most efficient?
Option 1 uses 1 bearing x 2 pulleys= 2 total bearings
option 2 uses 2 bearings x 2 pulleys= 4 total bearings.
Will option 1 be better because there is 1/2 the bearing friction?
And option 1 you don't have to worry about perfect shaft alighnment

And what about a bicycle wheel for the large pulley - like Archer showed?  Or will slippage/tracking be a problem compared to a real V belt pulley? (I vote V belt better - but costs more - especially over 12")

MSC has a great selection/prices for all types of components.  I?ve spent considerable time searching/specing these.

Here are links to pulleys and bearings I?ve considered:
(links to items don't always seem to work - goto the site and search the item # if not)

3? v belt idler pulley:
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/GSDRVSM?PACACHE=000000056592053
Item # 35428341

12? v belt pulley:
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1647617&PMT4NO=0
Item # 00053686

Single bearings:
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/GSDRVSM?PACACHE=000000056591686
Item # 35433374

Mounted bearings list:
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?SISECT=0002007308&SIS0NO=00000853358


Mostly ? what is the best/most efficient way to mount the pulleys?

Fixed shaft?  Or fixed pulleys?

And if fixed shaft ? what kind of bearing ? press fit, pillow block, etc?