Roll on the 20th June

[infringer]

The right reason it is good to always remember where it was you came from and why you came.

Great to see pure powers humanitarian side rather then his humilitarian side..

That is my opinon been following right along not saying much but the 20th of june draws near weather the change happens or not I can say that I have embarked onto a life changing expirence of my own...

And that is always keep an open mind to things as what we may think we know may be a perversion of the truth.

And that is based per person per version. Impromptu acts are everywhere and we only know half of the story a quarter of the time.

-infringer-

[MrKai]

exx:

While garbage is unattractive, I'm going to have to take a bit of..umbrage with the notion that "we" are "destroying" the world.

First of all, it would take 10s of 1000s of years to even remotely fill up say, nebraska with garbage. Seriously.

Secondly, with the exception of aluminum, *it cost more money and resources and is more damaging to recycle paper and plastic than to produce new products...AND...the recycled products are of LESSER QUALITY...at a greater cost.*

Growing up in California, this was a hard reality to cope with, but the numbers make it clear that recycling programs and the fuel needed to run them are a massive heap of failure.

BUT, like many things "psuedo" it makes people feel better.

No, not all recycling is ultimately wasteful; recycling aluminum is actually a net sum gain as it would cost more in resources to mine new boxite.

And that example is exactly what is wrong with "lay" thinking: causation/correlation errors. Many people seem to think that because recyling aluminum and other metals/alloys is a gain, then recycling *everything* is.

You like to speak of who is arrogant and who is not. You like alternative thinking...so think about this:

The world will go on without US. We will destroy *ourselves* long before we disintegrate this rock into dust. Man's vanity...to even think we COULD "destroy the planet" is laughable; we can't even stay alive when it rains too hard, or is too windy.

What I think you mean to say is that we are destroying *ourselves*

-K

[MrKai]

That is my opinon been following right along not saying much but the 20th of june draws near weather the change happens or not I can say that I have embarked onto a life changing expirence of my own...

And that is always keep an open mind to things as what we may think we know may be a perversion of the truth.

-infringer-

Do you *really* believe this? Do you believe it enough to invert it, to falsify it? That is to say, is this a universal belief for you, or one that confirms your own bias?

-K

[purepower]

exx:

While garbage is unattractive, I'm going to have to take a bit of..umbrage with the notion that "we" are "destroying" the world.

First of all, it would take 10s of 1000s of years to even remotely fill up say, nebraska with garbage. 

K,

While I agree with you on many things, I strongly disagree here.

Do a google search for "great pacific garbage patch."

There is a mass of plastic bottles an other trash that has collected I the ocean from litter all over the world. It it estimated to be TWICE the SIZE of TEXAS and about 100 FEET thick.

And this is just the trash that made it to the ocean that floats; just imagine all that sank.

10,000 years to fill Nebraska? Try 10 months (in a global perspective).

-PurePower

[MrKai]

We have CD players, cell phones, play stations, etc. using technology dwarfing state of the art 20, and sometimes even 10 years ago.

The laser went from the science fiction fantasy to the CD player (alright, that's 30 years).
Now we have precision control multi-beam and blu-ray.

Your cell phone has better digital camera than you could have gotten for $500 10 years ago.
(This assumes you have one made in the last 3 years.)

The play station processor and RAM are doing a bit better than a 90's PIII Intel chip CAD workstation.

.........and most of this being better than what was in the space shuttle Sally Ride got blown up in.

I don't want pocket MRI, I want to know why atomic alignment is a state of being.
He said (maybe it was implied) that such could be done for electricity.

Then we go for the Dr McCoy pocket MRI.

What does ANY of the above have to do with...anything?

You are making a logical leap across a fallacy gap: miniaturization does NOT necessarily mean advanced understanding. Not at all.

But this stuff below...hooboy!

EDIT:
Chlorine kills germs and that is a good thing, sort of.

It also breeds chlorine resistant germs.

As with the recent discoveries in medical science that the effectiveness of anti-biotics is breeding resistant strains.

We're due for a doosy of an epidemic. Not that I wish for it, but that it's probable.

Sometimes there's too much of a good thing.

Fluoride is a poison as well as a dentifrice.

Go here:

http://www.fluoridation.com/

It's up to you to read the reports, or even give them any significance .
Just little concerns like the EPA, Dr.'s, university studies, and countless dentists..........

But here's one:

Japan    REJECTED: "...may cause health problems...." The 0.8 -1.5 mg regulated level is for calcium-fluoride, not the hazardous waste by-product which is added with artificial fluoridation.

Do you have any formal training in any kind of science or critical thinking? Do you even realize that NONE OF THE ABOVE negates or disproves ANYTHING AT ALL I said about the water?

As I believe PurePower and others have tried to explain to you guys...repeatedly...science is NOT about ABSOLUTE TRUTHS. It is NOT unanimous. It is falsifiable.

Dissenting opinion is a part of science...and is a part of the evidentiary process. The problem with the data you provided is that it does not in light of and in the presence of OTHER DATA (like...all the walking around people out there drinking from taps) change what I said. The evidence shows that the water is much safer than 100 years ago.

Your evidence shows that it isn't without risk or controversy...but THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION

I brewed beer for a living @ one time and you HAVE to look at the things to adjust your water pH for correct flavor of a style. Friggin things are scary.

Awesome. I used to brew. Got out of it for some reason..right when i started getting *really* into it. Sigh.

If it is, I really don't care.  You said shut down the universities. I said make the world a continual one.
You said that it was a scientific and mathematical certainty that someone other than a scientist (IDIOT) can make a discovery.

But everyone is so certain this might not be one of those times?

Whoa there! Your psyche's slip is showing! Your paraphrasing here:

You said that it was a scientific and mathematical certainty that someone other than a scientist (IDIOT) can make a discovery.

totally changes the tone and intent of what I said. I do NOT feel that anyone that isn't a scientist is an idiot nor did I say it, but your edit suuuurrre seems to make it seem like someone has a chip on their shoulder.

I don't have a reply for the rest of this; it seemed very contradictory, hypocritical and weirdly narcissistic and self-congratulatory...so I'll leave it as it is.

-K

Never be absolutely certain, only greatly favor the outcome if you wish.

When you're certain you never look into a thing again, only at it.

Whom are you ordering around?
I have enough of your content now to be happy with my assesment.

In fact, I'm absolutely certain.

P.S. When did I ever give you the idea that your assessment of wit (or lack thereof) meant that much to me?

But it has been fun, and you might be right about everything.

See, I'm still open to possibilities.

Now, will you debate me on my designs so far?

Smoky seems to be the only person that is really giving valid critique and making me look hard at my representations and ideas.
I respect that.