Roll on the 20th June

[MrKai]

Newt.
seriously man, read the posts before you try and knock someone.
last time it was Chet you were hasseling about the expert that YOU were supposed to pick, and now you are knocking Archer, because YOU think that the sword of god is the lever.  It's not, the wheel is the sword, the lever is the egyptian fulcrum.
please take the time to read, so that we don't have to waste our time reading your crap.
thanks.

ciao, Dirt

This is all true; perhaps Newt was confused. In one of Archer's videos he filmed the lever up vertical and mentioned that like that, it kinda "looks like the Sword of God, doesn't it?"

This in no way changes the fact that Newt is wrong; I'm just making an excuse for him so he can get out gracefully

-K

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Graham:
the main reason that Archer changed the wheel design(as I see it), was that all the people that had tried building it(Archer, Dusty, Red, Excomm., myself, and others I'm sure) all found that with the much stronger magnets that we are all using, there are major side forces on the rods/wheel.  Archer's first wheel was much smaller, and likely didn't have anywhere near as much mag strength.  Clanzer as usual, seems to have a great idea that might work at reducing the loads.  his use of the smaller mags, combined with the thin hacksaw blades, will go a long way at reducing the damaging forces that the rest of us are experiencing.  Archers new design has moved away from the problems of the old one, and will hopefully make for a smoother turning wheel.

ciao, Dirt

You go with that Dirt I'm not buying it, the truth was we pointed out the magnetic flux will be a problem no matter what size magnets you use, as I have said many times if the magnets were to weak they would not push the rods up and if to strong you could not break the magnetic wall.
This has been proven to be right by the design changes and as I have said the new biuld has not fixed this problem, I will say it once more this will work with an electromagnet but it will not be OU.
I havn't change my thoughts but Archer has proved them right with the design change.
Take Care Dirt
Graham

[MrKai]

Wow.

Ummmm....thanks again sorta, but I have no particular cause. I just like playing with toys.

(I'll stay away from the idea if you have 0 respect for Archer, and 10X it for me, that mathematically it puts me @ the same level. )

heheh...let's correct this right now...as I wasn't intending for clever backhanded math trickery. I'm not like that

What I meant was that I respect you, and do not in any way at this time respect El Quinn, for the reasons I have outlined.

You're seeing into it, but perhaps not all the way.

Entertainment sells man, like the Coke can the starlet clasps in triumphant toast.

Someone like me is easy to dismiss as a loose cannon with no content.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with saying I'm wrong either (but it's tough to convince me).

But it's harder to do when so much hype surrounds a figure.

Let's just wait and see. Media "spin" is an awesome force.

You know, if you look back at some of my earlier posts, I sort of had the position too that he was over-the-top and foaming at the mouth on purpose...that no one can be THAT bad...remember?

I think I even said something along the lines of "OK, you've convinced the Evil Ones? that you are completely fuknutz so can you ramp it back a little for the kids here at home?"...but likely with less comedy. It is in here somewhere, you can see for yourself if you'd like...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12153;sa=showPosts

I suppose tho, that a skeptical advocate is not advocate enough for him, so he had to "keep it real" and go apeshit on me, too.

Sigh.

[purepower]

Thats right Road people will help if need be and help comes in many way like giving you answers or telling you where something could go wrong so you or other can come up with a way around it.
Take Care Road
Graham

I guess Im Road people then...

I have always seen potential in the wheel, and I hope it works. I havent been trying to prove it impossible, rather point out the difficulties all will face in building, including Archer.

If he produces a working wheel on the 20th, it will be because Archer has figured out a way to get more energy from the lift of the magnet than the wall consumes.

Im not saying its impossible, but it will be extremely difficult to find the solution. It will not be because the addition of weights; it will not be because Newton is wrong. It will be because he found just the right positioning of the magnets to allow this ocurance.

-PurePower

PS I have grown rather tired of reading these foolish debates. I thought this was a forum for people to discuss possible ideas for FE. I will remain in the shadows until people want to get back to business, otherwise Im just wasting my time...






@Exx

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. There was a lot to read and digest...

It seems the input energy is the raised water tank; without that elevated tank, the device would not function. Is my understanding correct?

If so, how do you plan on keeping it filled?

[fletcher]

PP .. a conservative force working with or against another conservative force still sums to conservative forces - as has been mentioned by numerous people you could probably get a wheel to rotate using a electromagnetic solenoid etc but the gravitational potential is insufficient IMO to produce enough energy to come anywhere close to replacing that which you used in the solenoid [after rather large losses] to shift the weights, thus NO OU possible - relax & wait it out - if quinn can can do what he says [& says he has already done] & get OU you will soon be busy enough explaining it & calling for independent replications & accurate energy in & out measurements to verify any claims