Roll on the 20th June

[MrKai]

@ Pure Power - sorry, didn't see your followup post where you cooled it down.

Guilty as charged.  Actually, I really am an oilman. But I really want to bring about the collapse of the greedy corporates that I have worked for.  Not for false green issues - more for issues of genuine freedom & liberty.

I can say with 100% certainty - there is no oil shortage.  There are vast resources of oil available.  The current "crisis" is economic warfare - nothing more or less.  Oil is not predominantly "fossil fuel" as we have been lied to.  The belief of the top oil drillers is that oil is inorganic mineral oil.  There are vast amounts of inorganic methane in the core of the earth.  Volcanic action converts this methane into long chain hydrocarbons.  Many of the large oil wells that were "pumped dry" have refilled themselves!  This information was published inhouse to oil company staff - but is not widely know outside.

* MrKai High Fives greendoor!

I am not a "conspiracy theorist" by any stretch...except for this particular "conspiracy". I say "conspiracy" because it is more so a conspiracy of willful ignorance than anything else.

I actually became aware of these theories awhile ago via Russian science contacts I had years back (late 90s) when I worked as a contractor for NOAA on EOS projects, tho my understanding is that Russian Geologists started forming these theories a bit earlier, first based on mathematical models.

It is funny, at least to me anyway, that for all of the fuel consumption over the last 100 years, we haven't seemed to have run out of dead dino juice. Rather, it is funny that most peole haven't gone..."hey! hang on a minute..."

It appears that there is strong evidence that "fossil fuels" aren't even remotely that, but a correlation/causation error that was worked out *years ago*...that the earlier finds were coincidental and that oil is a geological byproduct.

I mean, I guess if anyone would know this it would be oil companies...I just never thought they "knew" knew it, if you know what I mean.

Really PurePower...you'd never, ever heard this before? I bet you will be able to find all sorts of scholarly research on the subject. Start by looking in Eastern Europe.

-K

[legendre]

@purepower.
Wow, I feel raped. Did a little research on greendoor's tip on regenerating oil, this is what I found...

Thanks info: does it surprize anyone that this would be kept secret, no wonder they called off the conference!

Oh for fecking sake, abiotic oil?! Have you ever heard the term 'Russian Science'? Sorry to say, but it's due to just this sort of crap that the term exists. And of course - no offense to legitimate scientists in Russia, of which there are many.

Do you realize that oil extracted from various regions of the planet regularly bears chemical markers that match up with the rest of the fossil record in the region? Now think for a moment - why might that be?

And even if oil were of abiotic origin, that doesn't seem to have any effect on the fact that wells can and do run dry on a regular basis. So much for "constantly replenished".

(Now here come the conspiracy theorists, who will state that the oil companies keep exploring and drilling new holes as a ruse, to make people think that their previously high-production wells are running dry, when they really aren't)

And no, kremlin01, I don't think that you actually believe a word of it ;-)

-L

[Bobbotov]

If oil wells do not dry up why would ANWAR and off shore drilling be a last ditch consideration by the US to acquire new deposits? I mean up until the 1970's the US was drilling for oil in the continental states and did not rely on foreign oil. But those wells dried up as predicted they would by M. King Hubbert (who also predicted global Peak Oil). I live in Texas and there are many depleted fields both here and Oklahoma. They will never be sources of oil abiotic or otherwise.

And this abiotic concept is lacking in many respects. First, if oil is replenished from the Earth then show me the chemical formula for how that is done and show me the time it takes to make such oil. No calculations exist that have any bearing on reality. And besides, let's say that the Earth produces oil all the time. If it takes ten million years to produce one barrel do the math and see how long it will take to deplete what has already been made before we out pace the Earth's ability to reproduce it. Even if it takes only a thousand years we are screwed. And why aren't old wells being re-drilled if they are filling back up?

[MrKai]

Oh for fecking sake, abiotic oil?! Have you ever heard the term 'Russian Science'? Sorry to say, but it's due to just this sort of crap that the term exists. And of course - no offense to legitimate scientists in Russia, of which there are many.

Do you realize that oil extracted from various regions of the planet regularly bears chemical markers that match up with the rest of the fossil record in the region? Now think for a moment - why might that be?

Check more recent info on the above.

And even if oil were of abiotic origin, that doesn't seem to have any effect on the fact that wells can and do run dry on a regular basis. So much for "constantly replenished".

*Exactly*...I go into this a bit more below.

(Now here come the conspiracy theorists, who will state that the oil companies keep exploring and drilling new holes as a ruse, to make people think that their previously high-production wells are running dry, when they really aren't)

And no, kremlin01, I don't think that you actually believe a word of it ;-)

-L

L...you may want to check into this a weeeee bit more man.

Just sayin'.

And dissin' Russians in the *petroleum biz* seems a bit weird. They know that biz. Actually, they *know* a lot of things...it is just that during Salyut times they couldn't *do* much...well

And while I believe there is strong evidence that oil is abiotic, I also believe that it doesn't *matter* because the consumption rates are SO HIGH that the peak crisis is still very much that.

Again, *seeming* opposite "views" do not mean they don't both actually work and make sense.

The more...activist types will of *course* "run" with this, so it is perhaps bad that we cracked open this can of worms, but the worms are there nonetheless.

In summary, and to re-iterate: strong evidence that oil is abiotic and supplies replenish themselves eventually from the core...but nowhere near the rate of consumption...

What say you on this point, greendoor?

I mean regardless, when gas at the pump hits $6/gal it is going to be painful living in the US of A.

Hrm. Perhaps this isn't the place for this discussion...

-K

[exxcomm0n]

Oh good.

Here it is the 21st and a new page 78 in the thread.

Let's look at the content, shall we?

10 posts.

_9_ posts of "nyah nyah" content (Whatta loser, chemically imbalanced, "I told you so...", etc.)....

and _1_ idea.

EDIT

Oops! There was some other content in there ratio standing @ 7 "nyah nyah" and 3 content.
Never trust a stoner to count.

From the ratio I can't really blame anyone for throwing in the towel when we're complaining like kids @ Christmas, "But that isn't what I wanted, Bwaaaaaahhhhhh!"

DIY (do it yourself) kids, or STFU (shut the fudge up).

I did. 
Even while being an arm chair weekend warrior like most, if not all, of you.
So did some others.

Prove you gotta right to post, or have your posts be considered to be the same as the let down you see in Archers latest post.

We'll be sorry to see you go since you've obviously gotten to the point of what must be the acme of your content ability.

Now, would anyone like to comment on the iron/attract idea?