Roll on the 20th June

[Evg]

Well that is a twist to Archer?s story.
But it is worth $10 or $20 just for past entertainment.
If he doesn?t come up with the goods, at least he may be able to afford his holiday.
It?ll be nice to say (If this is a con) I have been conned by a better man then I am, but it only cost me $ 10.00, my $ 10.00 will be in the mail when you post details. I won?t miss my $ 10.00 pizza as much as I would miss Archer?s attempt.

[Mark69]

The boss is taking donations!   Didnt see any link yet.

@EVG-  water doesnt like to compress in liquid form.  Youd be compressing that air way before any water.

Mark

[Evg]

Mark69
You're right! 

[fletcher]

Hans & Evg .. getting here a bit late this morning so playing catchup - let's see if I can adequately explain what I meant by the absolute term, Hero or Zero - actually others have covered it pretty well IMO.

Normally, I am a pretty charitable person when it comes to presentation of OU 'theories' ? a little more skeptical about video?s & demonstrations of ?working? devices, as a rule.

Firstly, I try to objectively consider the information presented [in whatever format or medium] & follow the logic as best I can - if I can't readily find any major flaws in either the  information or logic provided then I take a closer look to try & find a potential 'show stopper' i.e. something hidden in the assumptions that will stop the idea dead in its tracks - I have to temper that initial assessment with the fact that I also can't help but consider the source of the theory & the stability & level headedness of the character presenting it [is there a con involved ?] - if no warning bells are ringing then I carry on ruminating on the idea further until either I can not find fault with the theory or something trickles out the bottom, so to speak, that shows to my satisfaction it to very likely be a non-runner ? if that is the case, until further information comes to hand or further enlightenment comes forth from the forum discussion etc I probably can't take it much further myself or draw any additional conclusions - sometimes new ideas come forth & sometimes things just wither on the vine, basically because the idea didn't have enough merit to capture anyone?s imagination sufficiently.

Sticking to the point at hand ? quinn didn?t present an objective theory & back it up with industry accepted math & physics ? he presented an emotional, subjective series of rants with claims of destroying a working wheel 2 years ago ? now, one could be forgiven for this disposition if he had started off rationally & then met lots of opposition & so turned a bit sour, but that?s not what happened ? from day one he was deliberately confrontational & abusive & derisive to a point almost beyond belief ? he created the air of us & them, right or wrong, black or white, Newton or Archurian, blond or non-blond, genius or idiot, etc etc ? while this approach seemed strange to me, initially I was not too judgmental ? haven?t we all had moments of complete arrogance ? [often misguided] ? I was hoping that it was deserved, arrogance borne of knowledge & passion ? it however became self evident that he could not explain his SOG grav-mag wheel or the fulcrum or buoyancy etc in a language that most of us have some understanding of ? when the balloon really went up is that I can accept the possibility that he might have found a loop hole in Newtonian mechanics [possibly] to exploit in his wheel but when he failed to convincingly argue his other ideas in a rational understandable way & used other archurian arguments [different from the SOG motive force principle argument] then I was more skeptical ? what was the chance that he had discovered more than one principle to achieve OU that wasn?t the same principle in the SOG deployed differently ? ? very unlikely !

So, without going on ad infinitum, quinn set the scene & time table for complete success or complete & abject failure ? he left absolutely no wriggle room for anything else ? then he  started to retrospectively sanitize his site [according to words written here] ? is it surprising that some members don?t think he is either credible or a man of integrity ? ? in his favour, I like you, was somewhat impressed that he found the character to come out from under his rock & have another go, not leaving his ardent supporters grasping at straws & high & dry ? they deserved better than that ? as I said previously, I actually listened to him on his later video?s & thought he could well be a likeable guy, someone you might enjoy a beer with ? but that has nothing to do with his challenge & failure to meet it, so far ? the challenge he proposed is still in place but the longer he takes to back up his words with facts the more chance that archer quinn will wither on the vine.

Having a big mouth isn?t a crime & never was, but some people just open their mouths to change feet ? so far, until quinn can back up his many inflammatory words [deliberately designed to incite rather than promote thinking & discussion] with action, then his vine is feeling the chilling onset of winter as far as I?m concerned.

He has the chance to change how history remembers him which is ironic since he also set the original tone & expectations & the bar so high !

Do I feel a sympathy pledge coming on     - not likely from me anyway   

[tekylife]

I knew it 

Let the donation flood begin!
I suggest that the forum/thread come up with the accountant. I guess he doesn't have to be based in Australia right ?

1000 AUD pieces
4 x 800 AUD wage

That's a 1800 AUD thermometer. If after a month no working replication is turning, the money > 1800 goes to the prize.
If a replication is done, Archer win the prize and reimburse those who contributed. Pride intact.

Oh wait. He wants the plans done by an engineering firm ... let's say 4000 AUD . Maybe this community could contribute it, or members here could come up with the plans.

PS: I almost forgot : $50 for a tripod , $69 for avsmedia's super bundle. This allow us to keep things in check