Roll on the 20th June

[OU-812]

Graham its cost Archer TONS and yes seeing the weight hanging at 3 I would bet the ranch on the rest   face it HE HAS TALENT and he knows how to do the rest  Chet

Yes yes!  Come on Archer, you've shown the hard part, just finsih the 'easy' part in ONE build.  That's all.  Then you get your Nobel prize.

[Rusty_Springs]

Graham its cost Archer TONS and yes seeing the weight hanging at 3 I would bet the ranch on the rest   face it HE HAS TALENT and he knows how to do the rest  Chet

Hi Chet
I will face it when I see continues rotation, until then all I'm seeing is things I have done years ago and many others have done.
Take Care Chet
Graham
PS: I think I have been fair disspite the abuse, I have shown him how to cut down the magnetic attract back comming out and I have told him what he will come up against crossing the air gap.

[purepower]

The Boss has a point the bar keeps going higher with some of you ingrates   HES Done it   you can tell   if you can't you ain't been paying attention he solves problems he has a gift for that   HE DID IT  Chet

Well, it obvious. You have the spirit of a high school cheerleader and the brains of one too!

"Oh yay! The team made a play! They win the game!"

Um, no. The Wizzard has made a couple "plays." There are many "plays" I find awe inspiring on the tube. This doesnt mean he has "won the game."

Can you please quote something you stated that wasn't mindless garbage.

-PurePower

[exxcomm0n]

@Exx

No offense, but this is by far the most ridiculous debates on the thread.

Fine and Dandy bud.

"The most ridiculous debate" is caused by you clinging to a pure physics concept and not allowing it to be translated into a real world example and me not allowing that.

Ramps, levers, and pulleys do not bank or store energy. They do not lower the energy required to do a job. They change the force/distance applied ratio to make a job seem easier by reducing force, not energy.

Only if you discount the energy to make them.

Machines can change the form or direction of energy, not quantity.

Fine and dandy again, but I wanna see you jump straight up a 6' wall without mechanical aid.
I'll take the stairs and have enough energy to do it all day.

If i can take 6 - 1' foot steps to do it vs. your jump, I will. I see that as easier
It also has the advantage of if I stop expending energy to climb, I do not immediately go back to where I started as you would with a failed jump

Maybe it is the same energy, but it is NOT realized over the same span of TIME.

I can climb a ramp easier than climbing a wall, and throughout history the rest of humanity seems to think so as well.

Ease means less work in my opinion.

This is the original arguement, and you took it to arguing about how the weathering of a ramp decreases the banked energy of a ramp!

Yeah, to riddle that point you made about how hard one was to make vs. the other, nothing else. Your argument was that the time was much longer to build one vs. the other and mine was the banked work was proportionate to the material and labor used.

And while the rolling ball covered more distance, this does not mean it did more work. Tell me, what force did it work against or with to travel horizontally? None! (if drag is ignored, which we have been for the arguement) Reread that post and you will see I say "vertical kenetic energy" remains  equal to the other ball. It does have a horizontal component of kenetic energy which remains the same from start to finish.

K....but it's still in opposition to the original argument of vertical movement up instead of down.

Horizontal stays the same, vertiacl changes due to gravity. Only factor that influences CHANGE in TOTAL KE is height moved and mass, not the horizontal components of path!

If we can agree on this statement, then let's please end this here:

Change in total potential is always equal to change in total kenetic energy. Machines will change what "happens" to or how this change in energy is "used," but machines will not change the total amount of energy available.

Not available, USED energy.

Let's add a wheelbarrow and 50# of dirt to the 6' wall thing above with me now having to push the wb/dirt up an 18' ramp now tripling the distance to reach the same height.

If you EDIT cannot, all at one time, realize the same amount of energy I use pushing the load up the ramp, while the concept of same energy used may be correct, the outcome or result is vastly different.

I'll be able to in a controlled manner and you won't, and you never will no matter how much energy you use without mechanics.

We have been arguing to totally different things that started with a simple topic.

to = 2?

You're right.

We have tried to argue up using down and not agreeing on time span.

-PurePower

PS only some states require to go on the registry. Cali doesnt, they only require you to have a valid prescription...

Dude, you think that the filling of a prescription doesn't get recorded?

The reason I said registry was this:

http://ww2.cdph.ca.gov/programs/MMP/Pages/default.aspx

[ramset]

pp your entitled to your opinion Chet