Roll on the 20th June

[Tinker]

Dono

But here's the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxjTZBbfbCc&feature=user

Be Well
Tinker

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi kids!

Rusty asked me to host another of his videos.

It's here:

http://unrealexpectations.ath.cx/NormalTrigateUpHill.wmv

(I'm just hosting it, I am NOT gonna get in the chronology argument, the that's not as steep an incline argument, etc! I'm just helping a guy out who asked me to.)

Hi Exx
Thanks for that but its not important now that was how many days ago, thanks anyway I appreciate it.
Take Care Exx
Graham

[exxcomm0n]

@Dirt

Thanks for the compliment!

@ Dirt

I too would like to thank you as you see the object of my little jesters dance over here.

@Exx

Damn it! Why do you have to go take a shit on my perfectly good analogy with your computer shenanagens!

Cause you was playin in "my" sandbox, as I am now playin in "yours".
Catch 22's of an industry or discipline are a BITCH!
I just used the banked effort of thousands to make my work easy if I have to do it more than once.

That and I think we both enjoy this way too much. It's like studying for a test by watching Jeopardy. (I need the yahoo rolling on the floor laughing smiley here!)

You seem to be "hitting the wall" because the average human can't climb with a wheelbarrel.

Yup yup! But for some reason a human usually wants to do such a thing and most times, most arbitrarily, to do it multiple times.

New example:

Okay, we both are wearing backpacks with 50lb weights. Now we must both get to the top of a 20' wall.

I have a ladder that goes straight up with 20 steps.

You have a staircase with 20 steps.

Now we race. On your mark, get set, go! Who wins? Its a tie, even though we get there at different times.

Wait, huh? Here's the catch: it wasn't a speed (power) race, it was a race to see who could burn more callories (energy). We both did the same work, fighting the same vertical force for the same vertical distance, so we used the same energy even though we had different (horizontally), yet similar (vertically), paths.

The point is energy is force times distance (along the same axis). Clean, simple, and real world applicable.

-PurePower

Wait! A ladder is a tool! Aka mechanics! and even with that you can never really use it to go straight up, but at an steep incline.

Better, and I'd have to check with a physical therapist or trainer to make sure, but I think the ladder calories would be more than step calories just because you have to use your arms for one and not the other.

Stairs also allow you to carry a real load (like a refrigerator, furniture dollies ROCK! but that's another tool) where a ladder just won't.

It's about repetition, like Dirt said.
That's why I figure the energy needed to produce the mechanics into the equation.
You can't have them, or their benefit, without spending it (the energy to make the tool).
But every time you use that tool you justify that cost, it adds value, etc. that makes the large energy expenditure worth it.

[LarryC]

I don't want to get into it any more but the onewaygate is the same principle as Archers not the overlapping magnets why do you think he got so upset.

Hi Graham,

Well, we all know by now that Archer has a hell of a temper.

Fine, I agree that we disagree on the onewaygate, but I still ask that if you can look pass this and give his technique an objective review. I am sure you can be helpful. Please cut out the one up manship and help.

@Evg,
Hiccup.

Regards, Larry

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Graham,

Well, we all know by now that Archer has a hell of a temper.

Fine, I agree that we disagree on the onewaygate, but I still ask that if you can look pass this and give his technique an objective review. I am sure you can be helpful. Please cut out the one up manship and help.

@Evg,
Hiccup.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry
I'm letting things ride now and thats why I'm sitting back waiting to see a working PM machine.
Take Care Larry
Graham