Roll on the 20th June

[eastcoastwilly]

Exactly.  Is it just me, or does it seem that Archer is just making this shit up as he goes along?  He claims to have built a working wheel before but his last two recent attempts have failed.  He starts working on them up to a certain point until he realizes they aren't going to work, it gets too hard, or he gets bored.  Then he gets distracted and goes off working on something completely different.

I don't think he knows what the heck he is doing and his failure to reproduce his wheel, as described in the past, is a major disappointment.

I donated $25 so Archer would finish his wheel, not go off playing with SMOT toys.

John

You don't seem to understand the potential of Archer's latest experiments. He's already got this "toy" (in separate videos) to complete a loop (yeah I know he doesn't have the complete loop on video).

The potential motion on the last video from 9 O'clock to past 6 O'clock is plenty to break any wall. All he needs is a few more mags to get firing back around.

Get some heavy duty mags and a few more arms this baby will have some major torque.

Your money is not wasted...he's almost there

Regards,

Will

[purepower]

@Exx

So ou.com was acting funny for you too? Glad it wasn't just me...

Back to our discussion...

I understand your logic completly. It takes energy to build a machine. Machines make jobs "easier." because they make things easier, they must be contributing "banked" energy to the job. Ya, I get it, but I dont agree with it. Everything in my experience and knowledge tells me that this is not the case. Machines can change forces, not energy.

I'd like to use a little analogy as to how I addressed you questions (please dont e offended). Okay, pretend your kid came up to you and said "daddy, if I were riding a unicorn, would that make it easier to catch a leprechaun to get his gold at the end of the rainbow?" (again, please dont be offended, I had to go to an extreme to make my next point). Now, you have three options on how to reply. First, you can understand her logic and say "sure, that'd work" knowing the underlying truth is none of it is real. Second, you could just ignore her (which is what I did for some of your questions). Third, you can set the record strait, even though it may kill her dreams (which is what I did for the rest).

I'd like to believe machines endlessly contributed energy, but I know this is not the case.

Allow me to use a very simple example to prove my point:

You have a 10 lb block you want to lift, with a long rope attached (ignore weight of rope).

Now, you walk up, grab the rope, pull straight up. Simple, done, no machine.

Or, you can build a simple pulley. The rope goes up, over, and down. Now, building the rig and pulley takes energy. Also, the pulley has friction. Now to do the exact same thing, you still must pull with 10 lbs of force plus friction plus all that "banked system energy" which now appears to be working against you.

I try to open up my mind to accept your ideas. But when I know beyond any doubt that they are not true and go against every lab test, every calculation, and every experience I have ever had, I can not accept.

You have your understanding and I have mine. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

-PurePower

[gwhy!]

Hey John, it's Brendan here (I emailed you a few weeks ago).

I can understand your concern, and yes, Archer is making new discoveries as he goes.

They are hardy NEW discoveries, maybe at best RE-discoveries.. 

[Rusty_Springs]

Exactly.  Is it just me, or does it seem that Archer is just making this shit up as he goes along?  He claims to have built a working wheel before but his last two recent attempts have failed.  He starts working on them up to a certain point until he realizes they aren't going to work, it gets too hard, or he gets bored.  Then he gets distracted and goes off working on something completely different.

I don't think he knows what the heck he is doing and his failure to reproduce his wheel, as described in the past, is a major disappointment.

I donated $25 so Archer would finish his wheel, not go off playing with SMOT toys.

John

Hi John
I feel for you mate and its funny he hasn't closed the loop with my idea here yet ever and his asking for more money, like I said he will show people just enough to make them feel like he could have a working machine then bummer it doesn't work so he goes off in another direction.
Oh and before he or someone says he didn't ask, he posted the donation site on here noone else so if thats not hat in hand I don't know what is.
Take Care and I'm sorry you did your money John
Graham

[shakman]

@PP

Yep, the site was struggling for a while.

You make a convincing argument I still agree with Exx. I will deliberately use contrast to your example here as I almost puked a rainbow after reading yours    (no offence, but I really did!)

Okay, I say to you I want you to go the shops and get me some ciggies and a six pack. But you don't have a car. And you know I'll whoop your ass if you don't so you walk. The next day I'm in a better mood, but this time I want a case of beer. So I lend you my mountain bike with a rack for the beer. You use the mountain bike and return faster and having expended far less energy, and you even polished off a few of my beers on the way (damn, I should whoop your ass for that, no-one take my beer  )

Banked energy mate. Ironic this thread is discussing a wheel and I just gave you two to make your life easier. And it only took a Taiwanese kid 10 minutes to put it together after a machine spat the parts out. Sorry about the little accident you had when the handle bars fell of though 

shakman