Roll on the 20th June

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@ helmut

You might want to search my posts for the term "torsionless rod" and check out the drawing of a bearing assembly I "designed" that might make a rolling rod a possibility.

It's height might have to be adjusted though.

See a little farther down as I'll mention some other ideas that will combine with it to make something "possible".

Guten tag mein herr.



@ Tinsel

If PureP could open up his microcosmic understanding a little bit more I might have posted more constructively and to the point of the thread, but I'm a sucker for the underprivileged.

What I have so far in the way of content was posted a few pages back in relation to NOT having the gate array on the edge of the wheel, but mounting it in 2 very dissimilar arcs on 2 pieces of plexiglass and sandwiching the wheel with them on some sort of lever situation that could act as an off/on switch.

Below all this drivel I spew forth at this moment, there might be another misappropriated, mis-termed, malignant methodical missive of my meager mentality.

You can search my posts too, but really man, this thread didn't start yesterday and it might behoove you a touch to do a little historical research.

Cool?



Give history it's day in court and I bet you'll have a slew of ideas of your own from what you see there contributed by EVERYONE (well mostly)!

@ Dirt

Man, you seem like an awfully cool person (although you probably wouldn't hire my to fly one of your planes ) and I have to say @ this particular time in this particular argument, you are my hero dude!

Thanks again for being a thinking person.

@ Archer

Everyone's whining about the "closed loop", even after it's been said multiple times that once that loop closes there really is no "gate" anymore.

Seems like it'd be an easy thing once you get those new mags to find out your gate field distance and populate that entire aluminium with 'em and a space of just a little wider than the sum of 2 fields distance.

Also, to help with the cylinder deformation, try setting the cylinder inside 2 pieces of wood joined together to form a 90 degree angle and set on its point with a chair on either side holding each piece of wood @ about 45 degrees approx. to give the kids a truer circle.

I MOST SINCERELY HOPE the reason we're not seeing you here on the weekend is that you are making nice w/ the missus and convincing her to stick around a little while longer.

I'll try to scrape up a bit more entertainment cash as I have easily gotten my previous donations worth in SPADES!


......and finally (God, we can only hope! I will not tolerate slander and "book learnin' " shortsightedness, but please don't think I hate books by ANY  stretch of the imagination!)........

@ PureP

I decided to learn from your example of question answering and reading comprehension....... and I LIKE IT! (@ least where you are concerned).

You're right!
(Now go clean the stain in your shorts that those 2 little words probably caused you.)

You are not worthy of my time, except to keep prodding you like the dancing monkey you are.

Haven't you noticed some folk here are appealing to you to STFU (shut the fudge up)?
Even Cap'nhook <sp?>, whom I thought was one of yer best newtonian buddies?
I haven't always agreed with him, but there are exceptions to every rule.

Will you listen to him @ least?

Now I have to use some banked energy in the shape of a fork to better realize the banked energy in my bike.

P.S. I'm listenting to Incubus' "Megalomanic".

Ain't that so apropos?

"Step down, step down, step down.........."

EDIT

Wait a sec here monkey boy.
I never said that the more energy used to realize a device, the more useful it is.
Mind hunting that one up there little Mr.?

@ all

Lemme see here..........

I said way back when I proposed the marriage of wheel and trigate and poorly rendered it in graphics, something about a perendev style cylinder being used as an adjunct to the wheel design.
Not exactly like a perendev, but having the rods encased by making a THICK wheel and having the tubes INSIDE it.
Actually, if you sandwiched it in the fashion of plexiglass array, spoke armed wheel made out of tubed rods, and another plexiglass array, it might function in the same manner.

If there is no wall going into Archers mag arrangement, it shouldn't be an issue.

But then again, with the input of the new data helmut brought to the table about them needing to roll, I'm not sure that would be possible as having a set of mirrored arrays (one on either side of the spoked wheel) might not work as each side will want the roller mag to roll an opposite way.

Anyone want to give it a go? I would, but companies here in the US are getting a little more parsimonious with their IT dollar and the days of having to tell them I'm too busy have become too few and far between these days (and I don't expect that to change for a few years, if even possible then), so I can't justify the expense right now for proof of concept unless the thing will "sit up and bark" after that.

Just too many refinements the building would teach me to think I'd be able to succeed with a production quality  device first build.

I still think the outside weights would be the way to go, even if they don't shift, because of the flywheel effect they'd impart.

But I  also would like to see them shift as I like that idea, even if it limits the RPMs.

It'd be a torque monster!

Once the concepts are proven (well farther than Archer has been able to show so far due to lack of materials, and no fault of his own) by me or anyone else I can see sinking serious money in something to last a LONG time.......

Right now, the tunage (music) is serving up "You're A Mean One, Mr. Grinch" so serendipity is fingering PureP yet again.



BTW......Hi ya squab! (The woman.)

Her advice forums are running a little dry these days so I poked her in the ribs and told her she might wanna take a gander here.

She likes as lately it's fulfilled her "soaps" type interest.

Ain't life good?

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@Stoner and Boner
Stoner and Boner discuss story problems. Fascinating.

Is Archer abandoning the weighted moving arms toward the more track like motion he has shown?

Glad you like it kud.

Why don't you stick around for more than the preview length and find out, or better yet, go back about 15 pages and start reading again. I'm pretty sure he has addressed that in a post here recently.

[LarryC]

@All,

Even if Archer's current approach works by using lets say a 80% mag filled loop, it is going to be hard to pull any power off of the rotor because it would interupt the momentum that it is using to get thru the circle and the rolling unit would hang.

Mondrasek has a nice concept, but I think when it starts using larger masses it will have issues.

So please find below the drawing for a new combo concept, which would be good at moving large masses and maintaining it's position.

Notice the catch basis at the end of each run which will break the wall and catch and hold the mass roller until the angle changes enough for the ball to get pass the timing bump and run up the other side. The timing bump is used to stop the roller from starting at to low a speed. It may not be needed, just the last magnet being closer could do it.

Can anyone see any problems with this design?

Also, the roller balls should be in some kind track to keep them centered.

Please excuse the hand drawing, but just starting to learn Sketchup.

Regards, Larry

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From Wikipedia:
"The scientific definition of a "machine" (derived from the Latin machina) is any device that is not a computer that transmits or modifies energy. In common usage, the meaning is that of devices having parts that perform or assist in performing any type of work (cf Concise Oxford Dictionary). Machines normally require some energy source ("input") and always accomplish some sort of work ("output"). Devices with no rigid moving parts can be considered tools.

A machine is anything that makes work easier."

I hope that clears that up.
Now, I understand that a fellow named Archer Quinn has made a magnetically-assisted gravity wheel, that actually worked. But I can't seem to find it. He appears to have made the statement that his first wheel on his site "ran roughly" then "stopped working". So clearly it RAN (made multiple turns without intervention) and WORKED (else how could it have stopped working?) So why not repair or finish that first working wheel instead of going off on a magnetic tangent?

Nope.

Try this one from Wikipedia:

"One definition of a tool applicable to its common usage in mechanical engineering, is a device or a piece of equipment that typically provides a mechanical advantage in accomplishing a task or enables the accomplishment of a task not otherwise possible. A broader definition of a tool is an entity used to interface between two or more domains that facilitates more effective action of one domain upon the other. The most basic tools are simple machines. For example, a crowbar simply functions as a lever. The further out from the pivot point, the more force is transmitted along the lever. A hammer typically interfaces between the operator's hand and the nail the operator wishes to strike. A telephone is a communication tool that interfaces between two people engaged in conversation at one level. And between each user and the communication network at another. It is in the domain of media and communications technology that a counterintuitive aspect of our relationships with our tools first began to gain popular recognition. Marshall McLuhan famously said  "We shape our tools. And then our tools shape us." McLuhan was referring to the fact that our social practices co-evolve with our use of new tools and the refinements we make to existing tools.

Simple machine or tool or device or interface.

I call it banked energy, and while physicists may sneer and yell "Fie infidel!", it don't really concern me.

N'est ce pas?

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Larry seems like that would run!! Chet   I know its early in design   you will have a lot of torque on the arms neat how close you bring weight back to center