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Overunity Machines Forum



Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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purepower

Quote from: purepower on July 13, 2008, 12:23:54 AM
Sorry, but I disagree. I'm with freddy on this one.

If it were an electrical system, I would agree with you as this would be an "anti-"electromagnet: you use energy to turn off the field instead of on.

However, this is not the case. It is a mechanical system that controls the field. If you read the product descriptions, it is clear the mechanical energy used to turn on or off is not equivalent to the magnetic energy.

Many of their products can lift hundreds of pounds with an "easy" half rotation of the handle. Clearly a HUGE advantage.

I always said if you could turn off or minimize the field while moving in and maintain a greater amount of output, with the energy to do so less than the difference, you would have FE. These do just that.

Great find Freddy! I think that's the missing link! Now I don't know if I should finish the trigate wheel I'm working on or start on this...

-PurePower


Um, correction:

I still stand by all of this if the mechanics truly manipulate the field to turn it on and off.

If it is a mechanical system that pulls the magnet away from the material with a screw-like action, then there is nothing special.

I'm gonna have to do a bit of research on these things...

-PurePower

rlortie

Quote from: ramset on July 12, 2008, 07:50:50 PM
Larry   so Ralph does'nt know or care to know how your design could work  maybe he has never seen the Mayernic effect in action? can't wait for them to see and learn  ChetPS  ARCHER that will be a good day for Joe you and the World
Ramset,

No! Ralph does not know how Larry's wheel works. Yes Ralph is looking for an objective description of why it will work! Yes Ralph is familiar with what you are  now calling th Mayemic effect. A "rose by any other name is still a rose" and Yes I am ready to accept Larry's invitation to discuss his wheel on this thread.

What Ralph does not know is; why is he  wasting his time here other than accepting the challenge for debate.   

Freddy,

Your magswitch Is manually operated and by one brand or another has been used in machine shops for the last thirty years that I am aware of. They were very common around milling and shaping machines. Electromagnetic tables on newer machines has for some practices made them obsolete.

When I first ran across you term 'Magswitch" on another thread I thought you were referring to a "Hall switch" that turns of and on when a magnetic field cuts its path.

Ralph   

Tinker

Something that some of us may not appreciate.

Archer has spent a great deal of time and effort here to create change.

The man does experiments and shares it with anyone that will listen.

Yes there has been an Entertainment Value but the man has done the work and it should be recognized.

Question, How many of us here have done the same.

Thanks Archer for you efforts.

Be Well
Tinker


TinselKoala

I invented another kind of "magswitch" several years ago. You know that flat thin rubbery magnetic material that they make magnetic business cards and some refrigerator magnets out of? Well, that stuff is generally magnetized in stripes, believe it or not, by something like a tape head. The stripes have opposite polarity. So, if you take 2 sheets of the stuff, and overlay it so the stripes are parallel, it will fall into a "coggy" alignment, and the sheets will act as a magnet, pick stuff up, etc. But if you keep the sheets in contact, but force one of them over by 1 stripe, so that the fields of one sheet cancel the fields of the other, it will now drop what you picked up, and won't stick to stuff. I used this principle to make a little thing about the size of a matchbox and about 3 mm thick, with a spring that held the sheets in magnetic alignment so you could pick stuff up, then you could compress the unit lengthwise, sliding one sheet over and compressing the spring, and it would neutralize and drop what you picked up. So this isn't like the common shop magnets that have a magnet inside a housing and a lever arrangement or a screw to move the magnet out of contact. It's a bit different.
I hope somebody else tries it, it's a neat effect.

TinselKoala

Hey Archer glad to see you back.
Just a quick note to let you know that Perendev motors are indeed on the market, at least according to Mike Brady. He says there are at least 60 units installed and working in Germany and elsewhere. You might want to check out his website:
http://www.perendev-power.com/products.htm

I figured out the youtube demos, and I agree with your analysis,  but it sure looks like he's selling something.

Man your roller and track are awesome, I think you've done that setup better than anyone.
Looking forward to the final build.