Roll on the 20th June

[shakman]

I see Archer referred to one of my sketches I sent to him. I've done so many now I'm not sure which one he is referring to so I'll start putting some names on them. Apologies in advance for the corny names I might (most probably will) use. I present to you article one of such names "Archer's Arrow". This is one I sent yesterday to Archer and is most likely the one he referred to. I've made some slight changes to it since.

Here's the layout:

Using a "sandwiched" wheel with a hub.
The SMOT array stays stationary underneath a strong thin sheet for the wheel that will allow the magnetic fields underneath to interact with the arm.
The SMOT runs in a spiral pattern inwards from 12 o'clock til around 10 o'clock.
At around 10.30 there's a stator magnet that gives a little repel kick to the arm to encourage it out of the array's field.
At around 11.30 there's a stator magnet on the hub to reset the position of the magnet(s) inside the arm.
Inside the single arm is a set of magnets with steel balls as per the setup Archer has been testing with.
Pins are at each end of the arm to prevent this from falling out.

Here's what's meant to happen:

Starting at 11.30pm, the hub stator kicks the magners inside the arm to the outer part of the wheel where the SMOT array sucks the bar in, taking the arm with it.

I'm hoping the bar inside the arm follows the SMOT array around, then gets kicked towards the stator on the hub and fired back up at 11.30pm ready to start the cycle again.

If this works then I can imagine that, once started it will work standing up or lying down, or even lying upside down, although the best configuration would be standing up with "up" being 12 o'clock in the diagram being the uppermost part of the wheel to take advantage of the weight shift in the arm. If it was standing on it's head (6 o'clock at the top), then it would be fighting gravity. If it works as I imagine, it should even "self start" from the 11.30 position.

I know the array has issues with cornering but the idea here is that the bar only has to slide within the arm and not actually try to turn.

This is all theory for now. I'm going to try to set up some experiments soon, although my illustration skills are weigh better than my building skills  EDIT: Excuse the freudian slip, meant to say "way better"..

shakman

EDIT: Oops, forgot the attachment, coming right up...

[shakman]

Here it is...

[shakman]

I mocked up Larry's wheel idea in CorelDRAW so as to play around with it. I've attached the result.

It's a great idea, the only thing is that I can't see it generating a hugh amount of torque, but OU is OU and perpetual motion is perpertual motion right? So I'd be happy to see it spin at 1RPM as long as it kept going 

@Archer, what changes were you suggesting? Do you think maybe combining this with the spiralled array?

[exxcomm0n]

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also in the 70's i personally met and new a guy in melbourne aust ,that developed a petrol vaporiser,,he was able to get incredible mile per gallon,,,,,,,he was bought out by all the petrol companies in aust,,,,he had a unusual petrol station in footscray melb,,,he sold every petrol brand,,,,,,,,,,this man told me personally about his work,,,,,

This type of stuff is happening again.

At the risk of being OT (off topic, and who the hell am _I_ kidding. I seem to be an OT generating machine!) take a look @ Tube user ELManlinos here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ELManlinos

The crudest of vaporizers, but it seems to work.

[purepower]

I've just jumped back to where I left off and I couldn't believe my eyes...

03:41:03 AM
03:59:28
@PP - For fuck's sake, get a life. You've just made me swear again against my better nature and I'm trying hard not to swear again. You ask a question, wait less than 20 minutes then demand an answer again. Sorry mate, most of us don't spend our lives with the internet strapped to our wrists, and even those that do would take a little time out from the forum once in a while, even if to only save their sanity from your absurdities. You are so busy typing you never bother to actually wait or read. Look at my last answer to one of your questions. I went to lengths to explain myself clearly and almost immediately after typing my reply you piped up demanding an answer immediately. I am usually juggling my job when on the forum but I manage to reply because your problems are easily solved compared to those I deal with in the real world at the same time. You still never managed to prove my answer wrong.

You do realise that it was the weekend for most people when you posed your question don't you? Or, at best Friday night, depending on where they live. Most of us aren't so desperate to try to prove you wrong because we know we're right so if you choose to believe in your ridiculous theories that you can't save energy by using a well designed tool then that's your problem and will probably see you fired from your engineering position at a Fortune 500 company soon enough. I mean the very fact I can tell you to GET A LIFE without having to do it myself is proof enough of the banked energy theory. The power used to build my laptop, the communications links, the power to run them all etc alone have already been paid for and alone consumed less power than if I were to have to deliver it to you without any of these options, even if I did use a bike to save some energy along the way.

So if you want to spend your life building pulley's for one off use then that will be your own personal issue, but I recommend you see a psychiatrist about that.


Keep digging your hole mate. If a self-proclaimed brilliant engineering student can't see Exx's argument for the "banked energy" effect and can't admit outright that he has been arguing an invalid point all along, I can only hope for the sake of planet Earth that employers can see through his ignorance and he doesn't make it anywhere of importance until he learns to geacefully accept that he is wrong and not waste hours of time arguing a moot point to save on pride.

You may have conceded this point by now, I am yet to catch up completely on the forum but I had to get this out of my system. But you really do need to learn a few things outside of physics, particularly patience and calmness and also that it's better to admit you're wrong than to carry an argument on as it only makes matters worse for yourself. Hopefully you're already on your way to learning these things. I have a few more lessons up my sleave for you but we'll take it one step at a time, hey buddy.

shakman

Hey genius, you use it once and you lose more energy due to friction. You use it a million times and you lose a million times more energy.

You don't need a psyc, you just need a third grade education.

Here's another example:

A fucking gas motor!

It takes time and energy to build, but does it bank energy? No, that's why we give it gasoline. Do we get additional energy over and above the energy we put in? No.

My crazy theory? You mean the one that is accepted by every engineer, ever physicist, and everyone with half a fucking brain? Oh ya, I'm really worried about my job security, luckily I don't have to deal with "pulley batteries."

Clown. Talk about half baked theories, just look at who this one started with!

He even went as far as saying a wrench was a battery of construction energy. How far back do we go to measure it's banked energy? To the forge? To the ore? To the big bang? This is a joke!

A tree takes tons of time and energy to grow, does this mean if I carve a branch into a wrench it will store that energy?

Machines enable us to do tasks otherwise impossible. They can transform or redirect input enegy. They may reduce some energy variables in a system, like friction. THEY DO NOT STORE ENERGY!

-PurePower