Roll on the 20th June

[exxcomm0n]

Hi Graham,

No worries mate.

I just seem to be catching a bit of flack lately and was a bit touchy.

I had (have) not seen his video and didn't think I had commented on it.

As to the experiment, the mags were aligned axially so 1 side was N of the 2 mags and the other side was S, so in that I think you are correct sir.

Take Care Graham

[JohnGalt_USA]

Believers of perpetual motion and religious folks should just skip this post, it's only going to piss you off.

If one spends his life trying to achieve OU/FE and fails, how is the result any different than if he never tried?

Seems like a waste of a life pursuing an unobtainable fantasy. But hey, that does not prevent people from going to church every Sunday.

If he would happen to succeed, then he is a true genius and a saint!

I hate to be so skeptical but I think the chances of Archer succeeding are about as likely as God healing an amputee.



I originally came here because I read an interview in which Archer claimed he had already done it (created a working perpetual motion toy). So I was lured here as many others were, under false pretense. (Just like I was lured to Steorn who also has nothing.) For anyone that has seen Archer's recent posts you should now have a clear understanding of what Archer means when he celebrates and claims that he has achieved something extraordinary. I will give Archer credit for being clever and a creative thinker, but not matter how amazed you are with his magnetic array, gravity wheel or giant seesaw, (for all his effort) he is not any closer to perpetual motion than anyone else.

Advise for all you young tinkerers out there (it's too late to save the old farts on this thread ). Searching for perpetual motion is like searching for the mythical fountain of youth. Your search will definitely end in failure. Put your time, money and effort into something that will be a benefit to society! Pursue better ways to harness energy from wind, solar or the ocean. Design a more efficient fuel cell. Why not build an ambient static motor? 

If you are still tempted to buy some magnets and try to build your own wheel, I suspect that you will be able to acquire magnet at a substantial discount from others on this website. Seriously, someone should dedicate a new thread just for buying and selling used magnets.



Hold on folks, Archer Quinn is at the helm!



--
John Galt
Inventor, Engineer, Skeptic

[capthook]

Believers of perpetual motion and religious folks should just skip this post, it's only going to piss you off.

It shouldn't - you expressed your opinion in a reasonable way and without poking anyone in the eye.

Good thoughts.....

Searching for perpetual motion is like searching for the mythical fountain of youth. Your search will definitely end in failure. Put your time, money and effort into something that will be a benefit to society! Pursue better ways to harness energy from wind, solar or the ocean. Design a more efficient fuel cell.

I do take issue with this though.

To state it as an absolute (your search will definitely end in failure) is unreasonable.  As advanced as mankind likes to think it is - we are still just scratching the surface. (dark matter/energy etc. etc)
And just because a PM device hasn't been achieved after 500 years of trying doesn't mean it's impossible today - (or someday)

Only relatively recently have we had things like: powerful rare-earth magnets, high-speed transistors, low-loss Schotkey diodes, laminated silicon steel, light-weight/high strength carbon fibers, an instantaneous way to share ideas/results via the internet  etc.....  (add 1,000+ things to the list - but those are good examples)

And the new super-colliders may soon offer better insight into what gravity/electricity/magnetism actually are - mankind is still pretty clueless.
These new insights may enlighten us to ways to harness or better manipulate these forces.

The wind doesn't always blow, the sun doesn't always shine, the tide isn't always flowing etc. making current renewable energy solutions time/space/resources dependant.
The dream of having a PM/OU/FE device sitting in my garage running 24 hrs a day that can power my house and my car a reality would be the ultimate.
(except for maybe a fridge size, safe nuclear-fussion reactor - maybe in 1,000 years?)
And putting the power in the hands of the end user and eliminating transmission lines, politcal/economic control etc. is an added bonus.

So expending some effort in persuing ones dreams is what life is all about IMO.

[shakman]

@John_Galt

Interesting to see that you can be lured so easily to witness something you are so sure is not at all possible. What would you do if a homeless man asked you to follow him into a dark alley to help him split the $1 million bucks some passer-by kindly dropped in his jar? The homeless man with a fortune is not how I view the possibility of FE/OU but the analogy certainly applies to you as you are so confident it can not work. Not only did you enter the dark alley, but after you are so convinced the $1M isn't there you stick around. So you are rather silly for being here to make such comments in the first place really, aren't you?

The analogy doesn't apply to me or most people here because we believe in the possibility of FE and/or OU and/or PM and we don't see these possibilities as a threat. No harm can come from experimentation... unless you're really careless, but then you might as well tell people never to bother getting a driver's license because if they are careless they might crash their vehicle. That's common sense. I am convinced that FE/OU/PM is a possibility, that's why I'm on overunity.com. That's why me and so many others participate on this forum. I'm still not sure why you are here... if you are about to say "but Archer claimed..." and "Steorn said that..." please re-read the above paragraph. You clearly have no confidence in claims unlike some people here, in fact you have no confidence in any remote possibility of such circumstances.

If you're just here to "warn" others not to get involved with this, I'd like to know what possible harm you think can come from experimenting with magnets and gravity (besides a few cuts and bruises from careless handling, or other silly stunts). If you had any input into the American space program 40 years ago chances are we'd still be scared to leave the atmosphere. "Seems like a waste of a life pursuing an unobtainable fantasy" sounds very similar to a famous quote regarding heavier-than-air flying machines... Lord Kelvin was undoubtedly a much more intelligent man than yourself too.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, I just wanted to let you know how silly your last comment was. I was not offended. Just amused.

shakman

[Xaverius]

It shouldn't - you expressed your opinion in a reasonable way and without poking anyone in the eye.

Good thoughts.....

I do take issue with this though.

To state it as an absolute (your search will definitely end in failure) is unreasonable.  As advanced as mankind likes to think it is - we are still just scratching the surface. (dark matter/energy etc. etc)
And just because a PM device hasn't been achieved after 500 years of trying doesn't mean it's impossible today - (or someday)

Only relatively recently have we had things like: powerful rare-earth magnets, high-speed transistors, low-loss Schotkey diodes, laminated silicon steel, light-weight/high strength carbon fibers, an instantaneous way to share ideas/results via the internet  etc.....  (add 1,000+ things to the list - but those are good examples)

And the new super-colliders may soon offer better insight into what gravity/electricity/magnetism actually are - mankind is still pretty clueless.
These new insights may enlighten us to ways to harness or better manipulate these forces.

The wind doesn't always blow, the sun doesn't always shine, the tide isn't always flowing etc. making current renewable energy solutions time/space/resources dependant.
The dream of having a PM/OU/FE device sitting in my garage running 24 hrs a day that can power my house and my car a reality would be the ultimate.
(except for maybe a fridge size, safe nuclear-fussion reactor - maybe in 1,000 years?)
And putting the power in the hands of the end user and eliminating transmission lines, politcal/economic control etc. is an added bonus.

So expending some effort in persuing ones dreams is what life is all about IMO.

Well spoken, I agree!