Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I saw the video of the magnetic current and have no reason to change my mind, as I said magnetic current works, I also said it wont work for Archers wheel because the force would be to great or something like that, I'm sure Archer will post the exact words but anyway I said the force is to great and I havn't seen anything to change that thought.
Archer can prove me wrong just make a working wheel, I can't see it happening in my life time but hey I'm not perfect I can be wrong sometimes.
Take Care All
Graham

[The Eskimo Quinn]

Logic, let us give the sceptics their own words back at them

now one must take two things into consideration firstly the wheel video you saw already, if anyone believes that it was just givena gentle push (as would be an acceptable thought not accounting for it almost stopping and restarting anyway) but let us take the stand it was gently pushed, i belive the words of some were "even the slighest push could do that"(make it go more than 360 several times, now that would indicate no wall, does the video show any clucky hard wall? no ok so takeing into account that although unevenly weighted as can be seen, still spins as though evenly balanced, so we are saying like a bicycle wheel, yes? well or something similar.

would all of this be fair to say? i believe so, then taking this slight push theory, it would also be fair to say it would turn more than 360 and perhaps even twice and then some as seen

would that be fair to say? well according to the sceptics it is. however, if that is fair to say, then the power of the gate switch you saw lifting not only the roller but the track with mags and a 5 kilo block trying to keep the track down.

So would it be fair to say with the turning of the wheel if pushed as claimed and only needing to be gentle and unoticable, would counter any claim of some great power required to keep it moving, and far less than seen with the gate key but more than 100 times an unticable gentle push.

in fact if we go back to the video, there is no more acceleration away from the hand at the start than any of the following revolutions, this can be seen, so if it was pushed it was not detectable to the human eye, thus there is no great power required to move it.

if you contend there is great power then as there is no jerk start from a shove as would be need for something that needs "great force" you must conceed it turned itself.

you cannot have it both ways.

either the wheel requires such a slight extra push the eye cannot detect it at the start, and the power seen by the gate would be 100 times this imeasurable push, and you know it works.

or as claimed by some the power required would be great, therefore will no jerk start from a shove, then it must be conceded it has turned itself already several times past unity and past any stored energy.

It is one or the other, so gentle the gate key would kick it around like a football or requiring great force and could not have been gently pushed.

anyone who tries to argue that basic logic and base physics will be seen as the biggest idiots to have ever lived. (but I am sure a few will step up to take the crown rather than conceed they may finally see that there is nowhere left but success)

[kremlin01]

Archer, just looked at the video, bloody excellent!
I hope that was not a recording of 'the mighty quinn' you were destroying, oh! 'two little boys' by Rolf Harris, thats ok then.

'and still they watched, and still their wonder grew'
regards, Bren.

[koostos]

Anybody know where the video is ?
Please post the link.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

I thought if i used a diamond it would be sure to work, Neil Diamond was the best i could do that was an original copy of the jazz singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UHmNjl6Uk

nite