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Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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capthook

@ Archer - Thanks for the vid. It was good to see your setup for a "proximity switch gate key". It has raised many questions in my mind.

1) was the number of neos in the 'stack' required?  Did you try less/more magnets in the stack? What about less/bigger magnets?

2) the bolt used for switch.  What type/size was it?  Have you tried different bolts?  From my testing it appears using a shorter/fatter bolt than you have used will produce greater field transfer.

3) the cerramic mags on the end you are activating.  What size, strength?  Are they grade 5 ceramic magnets?  Why did you use 2?  Does multiple magnets increase the effect?  What about 4?

4) You activate by lifting the switch parrallel to the other steel.  This seems it would transfer more charge than perpendicular.  Yes?

5) Is the steel bars your using ideal? What are the dimensions?  Have you tested other sizes to confirm the dimensions your using are optimal?

6) have you tried activating neos rather than just cerramics?

I've got a ton more - but that's some for now.  Hope you may take the time to respond.

capthook

As to the proximity gate switch:

The primary question I have is -

Does it offer a 'net energy gain'?

Does the 'activated' magnet get stronger vs. the energy input required to manipulate the switch?

I see the process somewhat as dividing the wall.  With strong magnets - large wall.  With weaker magnets, smaller wall - with the proximity switch wall (moving the switch in and out of the field) added in equals large wall.
Does 1+1=2 or does the proximity switch mean .75+.75=1.5?

Producing quantifiable results is more difficult but much more useful than observations alone.

I will be unable to do any testing for 2 weeks so I want to propose the following:
This might be a way to provide data on the effect:

1) take the activated magnet and determine it's holding power. Affix the magnet to something solid/fixed.  Then stick steel weight to the magnet until the bond is broken.  You might start with a small piece of steel and add large washers.

2) activate the magnet with the proximity switch. Stick steel weight as before until the bond is broken

3) Determine the 'lbs. of pull' change by subtracting the weight of 1 from 2 (it could even be expressed as (4) 1/2" steel washers)

Now the 2nd part:

Determine the 'lbs. of pull' required to manipulate the switch. This is the harder part.  A possible suggestion:

A) set up a small pulley directly over the activating end of the bolt.
B) run a belt/wire etc. from the bolt, over the pulley, and back down
C) add weight to the free end until it is enough to lift the bolt up and through the activation point of the switch
(a good pulley is about 94% efficient - so even subtract 6%)

Conclusion: Total energy change

The 'lbs. of pull' difference in activating the magnet minus the 'lbs. of pull' required to activate the switch.

So the magnet gets 'x' stronger but it takes 'y' to activate it.

Is x>y ?  By how much?






gwhy!

Quote from: shakman on July 30, 2008, 01:33:59 PM
@bullsnbears1

Hey mate, in the demo the neo's jump to the ferrite. Once in contact the ferrite stays 'active'.

In a working wheel, i believe the moving neos would not come in direct contact with the ferrite and the key would be de-activated before the moving neos reach the ferrite. The moving neos should then pass the ferrite at speed.

Archer was purely demonstrating the concept as clearly as possible so he kept it as simple as possible.

shakman

I would like to know and I intend to find out soon for myself is once the ferrite is 'active' and the moving mag comes into closer proximity to the ferrite how much energy does it need to make it 'non-active'. This is a genuine question ( newbee you see, and trying to learn something NEW ).  I've seen the vids (demo's)  and this have not been addressed by anyone yet that I'm aware of 

Thaelin

   You bring up a real solid point rasta. Say use a much smaller neo? Just not sure if that would damage the little one. I do know that if you over power a ferite mag with a strong neo you will demag the ferite. That right from the magnet shop I deal with. I may have to call and ask that.
   Would be a nice way to make it disengage  then. Repel at first until the big mag comes by and changes the polarity and sucks in the other one until its by then repels it back again to let it past.

Time to rock the house with the house mouse.

thaelin

spinner

Quote from: queue on July 30, 2008, 09:03:06 AM
A prominent/world.renowned scientist/physicist  wrote to me personally in regards to the Youtube videos i produced about AQ's wheel and what he is attempting to achieve.

Although i cannot reveal his name i wanted to share a portion of what he wrote to me in this forum. Judge for yourself the degree of relevancy. 

Here is an excerpt of what he wrote to me..

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Thanks, "Queue," this is an exceptionally clear demo and discussion.

I think it is summed up in the conservation of energy law that KE + PE = constant, and to the degree that both gravity and magnetism are both considered conservative forces and can therefore be represented as gradients of potentials, we can't get from A to B with losses taken into account. (When Archer discusses PE, he only considers gravitational PE, apparently not realizing that that there is magnetic PE as well.)
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The underlined text is exactly what I (and other "oil men") are trying to say to the audience here for a long time.... So, my thinking is in accordance with prominent/world known physicist(s)? Good to know...
The magnetic potential, "build up" or lost in all of those magnetic interactions is the thing which is totally overlooked by AQ and The Gullibles... (That would translate to "Archurian dickheads"... No offence, you did pick the side and I respect you (at least) for that...)

Basically, it's the same problem which makes the SMOT device questionable, or the thing which bothers all known magnetic motors...

Only a fully working device (repetitive cycling) would confirm the validity of the claims made so far....  Btw, how are the things going?
;)

Gee, I just saw AQ's footer text....,
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These are members who should be ignored they are Oil people, Government, Steorn members and other patent hopefuls trying to slow projects until they get something to work so their invention is not worthless, and some who are simply irrate that the no longer seem important etc  They are The Invisibles. --- Gwhy - RustySprings - John Galt - OU812 - PurePower - TinselKoala - Spinner
So, until now I was a "Big Oil, Newtonian dickhead, high school brainless kid, idiot, ....etc... etc...", but at the moment I'm degraded to being just an "The Invisible", ...?
Hey Archie, it seems you're loosing "it" - again...  Doh, it's a very ungrateful task to be a "Savior of the World", no?..

I've just started to like AQ's new manners (there were a few cool posts comming from him in the last few days), and - bang - he flips back to his "common" state...  Shitting and pissing all over the place. Even on your faithfull followers, who are prepared to prove your delusions...

Archer, please,  just do what you can. We'll see what you'll came up with.
"Ex nihilo nihil"