Roll on the 20th June

[exxcomm0n]

Correct you are.  However - to spend a few hours to KNOW the numbers will prove if it will work.  Rather than ' f ' number of days and ' g ' number of $$ to build it to see.
(let's see.... 4+ months and counting?)
And the numbers will help understand what it's doing

Cap'n

Again bud, to reach your specifications, DIY.

You've been here pretty long too.

Seeing has always been @ the top of the hit parade for understanding what something is doing IMHO.
You have to see it before you can quantify it.

You have to see the effect.
See the measurements.
See where there effect goes in relation to those measurements.
See what has to be moved to some measured aspect for the effect to occur.

Measurement may be a true criteria of proper scientific method, but when did I say I was a proper scientist?

The ONLY things that I have claimed are that I'm a stoner, who likes playing with weird toys, and that I don't take myself too seriously until someone maligns me without just cause (at that time I turn into a right proper bitch-kitty with the mercurial attitude of a wolverine).

I see the measurements coming in real handy if, AFTER the concept is proven that a wheel can turn without external fueling as of our understanding at this time, and while doing so drive a load, you want to build another one.
Then if'n I'm handy with CAD, I'll whip up a bit of draftage file and start PM'ing Newt like mad about working out a deal to do a test series and (if successful during testing) mass production of the things A.S.A.P. <sic>
I could use a bit of bread, I won't deny it.

I think it'd be fun to be able to pay for airfare and lodging of all those that have posted to the thread to get them together with a bunch of beer in a largish room.
Could give the WWF a run for it's money.

The measurements will be invaluable for scaling and precise replication  (I know that's supposed to be one of those method rules too) but I have yet to see it's worth in getting it to work the 1st time.
They're more important for getting it to work the 2nd time, etc.

This is a toy.

But it could be an important toy (like David's sling against Goliath) if used correctly.

Now I trundle back to happy stoner-ville.

[shakman]

should, could, might, maybe?

I'm interested in the gate key idea, in proving it's effects and in optimizing its effect by quantifying the variables.
It has been my hope that posing questions/thoughts/concerns/testing ideas etc. might result in others addressing some of these as well.

Of all the threads on this forum and all the 130+ pages in this thread - there are very, very, very few (any?) numbers to quantify anything.  Science - even archurian physics - is well served by numbers rather than speculation and conjecture.  And in more than just observation.

And if it's all so simple - why still no OU device?  If the gate key shown some time ago by archer was such magic - why hasn't even he just plopped it into his array in like 1 hr. and shown his OU device?

Guess that's enough from me for awhile...............................................

Do you think the first man/woman to invent the wheel knew how to measure it's circumference? Let's just work with what we have.

I'm with Exx. If you're building it, then it's up to you if you want to take measurements etc. Sure, solid data is important but not so much at this stage of the game. I personally think it's best use the suck it and see approach many are using to to build their rigs, then worry about taking some measurements once the sucker is running 

There are too many variables with regards to setup, practical experimentation will provide the fastest path to success for now.

I'm off to bed to dream about all the materials I'm going to have to buy to start experimenting properly 

Have fun!

shakman

[Rusty_Springs]

Mostly:
that maybe ok comming in but it will pull you back going out so it needs to be over come.

Agreed.  And similiar to some of the points I've been trying to make.

Hi Cap
You were totally right and have been all along just people can't see the logic.
One more thing people don't take into acount and thats magnets flow from the middle of each pole in two direction so if you have a same pole magnet comming towards another magnet the magnetic flux comes out from the middle in one direction pushing the other magnet away but if that other magnet passes the middle then the magnets flux moves in the opposite direction pushing the moving magnet out.
Now say your magnetic current is setup to repel a incomming magnet as the magnet roller moves in its setup to turn the current on and because the roller is not in the middle of the magnetic flux when the current is turned on the roller will be pushed away and in the opposite direction to what you want it travelling, it needs to past the half way point of the ferrite before it gets pushed in the direction you want it to more and its the opposite if your using attracting magnet it will attract to the middle and then attract back past the middle so comming in it goes in the direction you want and going out it goes in the opposite direction you want.
This is easy to test get two magnets and bring one into the other from the right side and then the left side you will see that if attracting both sides will pull into the middle and if repelling your will see that both side push out from the middle.
Take Care Cap and all
Graham

[shakman]

No one seems to listen ever,

i have said on many occasion you will need three full sets of ferrite as the end of the track when switched on there is no wall at the end of the neo secition and when at the thirds set are far from the neos so there is no pull back.

dont know why i bother speaking at all, when everyone just makes up problems i had well explained weeks ago and repeated since then.

Contrary to polpuar opinion i do not make this up as i go, and if people would bother to tale note of what i say, pages of endless rubish would not arrive at what i have already told you, and without putting doubt into the heads of newcomers. Everything i have told you about the track has been reporduced has it not, everytime i say what will happen we go through this, yet not once has it fialed to do what i have said at any point.

demand the respect? I earnt it long ago as my words have been true of every action of a build since reproduced, yet each time i am questioned in a manner as if i am the one without credibilty.

As again you question what i say, you forget i stay one step ahead of the information i give you. Prove the point, i have done so in every step, yet still you question me and what i tell is is fact.

I am sure being so much smarter than i you can work it all out for yourselves from here.

I am talking to a brick wall

@Archer

Hey mate, relax.

Although I'm decent with CAD stuff and I can pull stuff apart and put it back together, I personally haven't ever built any mechanical devices from scratch, and I'm guessing I'm not alone on this thread. So I'm probably not alone with struggling to digest every bit of info that gets detailed, especially with so much noise in the thread.

Send me some photos or rough sketches or whatever and I will CAD them up for you so you can have some graphics on Surphzup that people (such as me) can refer to so you don't have to repeat yourself. A picture says a thousand words 

Now I'm definitely off to bed. I'll check back in the evening.

shakman

[g4macdad]

should, could, might, maybe?

I'm interested in the gate key idea, in proving it's effects and in optimizing its effect by quantifying the variables.
It has been my hope that posing questions/thoughts/concerns/testing ideas etc. might result in others addressing some of these as well.

Of all the threads on this forum and all the 130+ pages in this thread - there are very, very, very few (any?) numbers to quantify anything.  Science - even archurian physics - is well served by numbers rather than speculation and conjecture.  And in more than just observation.

And if it's all so simple - why still no OU device?  If the gate key shown some time ago by archer was such magic - why hasn't even he just plopped it into his array in like 1 hr. and shown his OU device?

Guess that's enough from me for awhile...............................................

What makes these people think someone has to appease them? If you think Archer has nothing now and never will have, then you being here means you are a liar, and the worse kind. A liar who believes his own lie.

Sickening