Roll on the 20th June

[petersone]

Hi Utilitarian
I totally agree,but dos that also mean Bessler was complete BS!!!
happy hunting
peter

[alaskabobb]

Hi utilitarian,

[alaskabobb]

Hi utilitarian,         It is apparent you didn't read the workings of the proposal. yes every thing must be lifted, but there are two things going on here. Weights being lift in relation to the wheel,  and, secondly, the over all weighting of the wheel in relation to the earth. Again there is 4pounds of weight lifting 3pounds in relation to the wheel, but because the 3pound weight is much further out on the arms, it has more effect in turning the wheel, leveraged to act as a heaver weight. So the inner weights, although heaver than the outer in a static world  , act lighter because of their placement, and because heavier in relation to the wheel,  still pull the outer weights into place in appropriate timing. I had a few collage profs. that had "this is the way it is, because this is the way I learned it" mentalities, and they would dismiss things out of hand without real invest investigation. And they did nothing but teach, "noble" ,but they had closed minds and created nothing new and stifled students that might. One told me that pretty much everything that could be invented had. The U.S. gov. nearly shut down the U.S. patent office in the early part of the century  because of a similar notion. Take a moment and wrap your mind around this and you'll see that all the laws physics are observed and are used to over balance this wheel. Many things that conflict with our personal experiences and accumulated knowledge  we tend to look at with dismissive attitude. If you really take a good look, I think you'll be surprised. Just because it hasn't been done does not mean it can't.              Alaskabobb

[purepower]

@PP

"Did this guy even mention how he came to the idea? Was he experimenting and found an anomaly, or did he just wake up one day and decided earth was pushing him?"

I just assumed that an apple hit him on the head one day and thats where he got the idea. Ooops my bad that was Newton... sorry bout that.


"Something as big as push gravity on the macroscale is like a wild bull in a fine china shop... How could it have gone unnoticed for so long?"

I wondered the same about Ptolemy's geocentric beliefs that stood for over a thousand years before Copernicus put the smack down and broke all the china.

For clarity I really don't care whether Wright or Newton are correct (at best they are both very distant cousins of mine) nor do I intend to invest enough time to determine who has the better argument. I'm certain they both make points worth considering. I'm also certain that you give Newton too much credit for our ability to navigate the stars. Most of what we do is done thru trial and error. Empirical testing. We lost quite a few satelites/spaceships in the past 50 years. Hundreds if not thousands. It wasn't a Space race because the math was perfect. IF the math translated perfectly into real world scenarios we'd have vacation villas on the moon by now.

And what the heck is with those statements I quoted you on? I feel like you were intentionally setting the stage for my obvious responses.

Ya, I may have set myself up a bit for that one. New "discoveries" are offer made haphazzardly, buy challenges to the norm usually come from scientific anomaly. What I was really asking is if he had any initial scientific basis that seemed to suggest push gravity, or if he first had an idea and later tried to prove it.

I don't think I give Newton too much credit for space exploration. What I do give him credit for is setting a foundation for other scientists to build on, which led to space and other great things.

To use an analogy, I'm sure the Olympic runners give a lil credit to their parents for teaching them how to walk, but most of the credit goes to their trainers for developing them into the atheletes they are.

I give Newton credit for teaching us to "walk," but most of the credit to modern scientists for their acheivments.

I get deffensive of Newton when people start to tell me I walk the wrong way...

Space is a very new field of study, there are many things we are still learning. Ships and sats can be lost even to the slightest miscalculation, even if the formulas are perfect. To criticize Newton for modern errors is foolish, and equivalent to telling a fourth-place runner their entire foundation for walking is flawed.

Take a moment and study newtons three laws. You will find they are very basic, yet very powerful and accurate (even to the armchair scientist)

-PurePower

[madsen]

Hi alaskabobb,

Which way is this wheel supposed to turn---clockwise or counterclockwise?