Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

Thaelin
CONGRATULATIONS !!

I remember your comment [felt you had a card up your sleeve]
Yes Archer planted some seeds

I wish I could loan you my Vid camera but I'm in NY

it would be great if some trusted member from the west coast could help you out with this

You are what this is all about, Sharing your hard work to the world
Chet
PS I think EM devices just moved out west
I heard something about a field trip to SM's old house in california [couldn't hurt to give him a pm[where all in this together now more than ever]
If things in the video debt don't work out let me know I have some family out in sanfran [haven't talked in yrs [really should]
their BIG environmentalists would jump at the chance to help
well I don't want to ramble

Did I say THANKS FOR SHARING

[TinselKoala]

SO Thaelin, are you saying that your wheel runs under its own power, indefinitely? Without outside power?
Obviously this is a very strong claim, if that is what you are claiming, and should be followed up with, at least, a video showing what you claim.

And we will be very eagerly watching while you apply for the Overunity Prize.

[Thaelin]

Hi Tinsel:
   I can take it that you viewed the pic and drawing?  Now take a 5lb lead weight and put on each slider. When it gets to the trigger point, the gear motor slides the weights to the other side and always makes it "very unbalanced". Put thoes weights at a distance of 28" and the others hugging the axel and you have torque.
   As always, the proof is in the pudding. Since I cannot ship this to Germany, it sadly will exclude me from the prize but not with sharing it. I just bought a video cam with direct upload via USB so I can now do the videos. All the switches will be on today. By christmas I will know one way or the other.

   Since this is really Archers thread, I will be moveing all further discussions to the other one. Grav-Gen.

thaelin

SO Thaelin, are you saying that your wheel runs under its own power, indefinitely? Without outside power?
Obviously this is a very strong claim, if that is what you are claiming, and should be followed up with, at least, a video showing what you claim.

And we will be very eagerly watching while you apply for the Overunity Prize.

[TinselKoala]

Ahh--so it isn't working, yet.

Yes, I viewed the drawing. And I have seen many like it in the past.
I have no doubt whatever that your motors, when properly timed, will move the weights to the correct positions to cause the wheel to turn.

However, I do doubt, very strongly, that this action will allow whatever generator you decide to use, to produce enough electricity to power the weight motors. Hence, I think that your machine will not run itself.

I base this opinion on a large database of experience and study. But here are just two factors for your consideration:

First, if harnessing the power of electric motors could drive a generator in a closed loop, there are much more mechanically efficient ways to do it than by moving weights around on a wheel. You could just, for example, directly hook the driveshaft of the motor to the input shaft of the generator, or use appropriate gear or pulley trains. But of course we know this can't be done.

Second, gravity is a conservative field of force. This means that the potential energy of a weight, say, only depends on its height, not how it got there, and the kinetic energy recoverable only depends on the height fallen from, not the path taken. You get out what you put in, minus losses. So for every weight that descends, a weight must rise up, and the paths don't matter, the energy involved is the same either way, no matter how clever the mechanism for raising and lowering the weights. Hence there is no energy coming into your system from the gravity affecting the weights.

But please, don't let my considerations stop you from changing the world. Please build on, and PROVE ME WRONG, if you are able.

Why can't you ship it to Germany? Some of the parts probably came from there...
The prize is over ten large. Deduct a bit for shipping and customs and you are still way ahead...

[Thaelin]

    Tinsel:
   Still just as negative as before. Cant remember which handle you used before
but deleted it so it would not be in the data base. This forum lost a lot of messages
along the way.

   Now as to it not working .... Yet.... this is version 4. Ver 1 barely had enough power
to keep rotating. Ver2 did well but had little power as well. Switched to slide track and
gear motor in Ver3 for added weight, did very well. Then started searching for a good
low speed generator. Found that in the wind forums. Ver4 will use that.

   As for your data base of all the failures, I guess that is why you are so negative. That
is why you dont look any farther, no? I have had many failures to date. I simply backed
away and analysed why, and formulated a different approach to the end. That is why I
have reached the point I am now. Doing this kind of thing, you had better get ready for
a bunch of failures. It is no different than sticking a prop on it for the wind, an turbine
on it for hydro, ect ect.

   Now can this be considered OU? Not sure I would want to go there. I am adding in
the force of gravity to the motor actuators.

   No more in this thread now, move to the other one.

thaelin