The Problem with Overunity. A different approach.

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@Hans:  Well done mate, I was going to say that you've given us some food for though, but it seems you may have served us up mega banquet. On yer 

How many of us have thought of ideas, concepts and images only to be totally frustrated with the inability or shortcomings of our language to convey those ideas to others ( to our satisfaction).
Wilhelm Reicht had the same problem. He discovered something and he had to invent a word for it. He called this "thing" Orgone. Try and explain that concept to a teenager chomping down on a Big Mac. Like the chair, orgone is many things to many people. Some have different names for it like Chi, life force ect but at the end of the day there can only be one complete correct definition of this stuff. Languge is the staircase to arrive at that definition, and we are all building that staircase everyday.

Thanks for the little mental holiday Hans, most refreshing.

Now if you would excuse me, I have to refill my Phlogiston tanks. 

Catch yer

Ian

[Pirate88179]

@ Rosphere:

Great book!  I just listened to it on my library's online audio book selections.

Bill

[winner]

Hello All,

Interesting thread! I have been scoping out overunity.com for a little while and just registered. This is my first post.

I would like to add a few concepts. These come partly from my spiritual pursuits, but as many people are aware, western scientific understanding and spiritual concepts are coming to the same conclusions. Apologies if these seem like basic ideas to some, but to others these notions might be new or under-appreciated.

I have come to know that words are an abstraction on at least two levels: 1) they are a label for things which carry different denotations/connotations in the same language and 2) as mentioned above, a name for a thing is not a complete description.

A "chair" as we might usually understand it, is actually a complex construction of energy, atoms, molecules, functions of use, and "parts" in our larger, limited world of human perception. Without much difficulty, we can see none of us really know much at all about the full truth of what a "chair" is. Indeed, if one accepts the concept that we live in a holographic universe, that all physical objects are standing wave structures created by the sum of energy emissions from all other things, the truth of a "chair's" nature is as fully incomprehensible and utterly unexplainable as the universe.

A famous book teaches that we gain wisdom by first accepting that "I know nothing." Given the infinite complexity of all things, this can be seen as relatively true. What we "know" of a new thing is only a grouping of ideas which we already understand and ascribe to this new thing. In our subjective individual and collective sense, we must be creating this new thing by our minds, as our subjective and limited understanding creates only a container which reveals this thing as how we want it to be.

Many people are familiar with the stories of native Americans who were at first physically unable to see the massive ships coming ashore from Europe. They had never encountered nearly similar things so these objects were not permitted into consciousness by existing thought forms. Once a few of the natives could construct an explanation of a sort in words, others began seeing the ships.

So, yes, it could be that understanding and generation of overunity power goes beyond what we're able to construct with words, diagrams, device constructions, and existing thought forms. So where do we go?

I believe the answer lies in the power of the subconscious and superconscious realms, of which I have only a limited "knowledge." Here I refer to "knowledge" as a resonant intuition and feeling for the truth of something, and not the inadequate constructions of our thoughts. The subconscious and superconscious can inform us without words.

We all have some experience of the physical world and an intuitive feeling for the natural forces which surround us. So how about we try to "feel" what it's like to be the parts and particles of our inventions?

Imagine being a water particle crashing into a wall or an oncoming wave of water. How are we impacted? A ball rolling on the inner perimeter of a round track: what do we feel if we are that ball? What might a dog's nose experience? What do we feel as a grain of sand bouncing on a vibrating metal plate? By practicing "feeling" experiments like these - and avoiding the temptation to let thought control the experience - we can perhaps grow our ability to get a better "knowing" about physical objects.

Someday, the masses will join in a glorious "AHA!" when inner knowing of overunity power is achieved.

P.S. I highly recommend the book "A New Earth, Awakening to Your Life's Purpose" by Eckhart Tolle. This book has great wisdom about the human ego and how it has hindered the development of our race.

[z.monkey]

Howdy Y'all,

Have you considered that there is something wrong with our environment?

How could all of these free energy researchers not be finding overunity?  How could taping this vast, even universal, field of energy be that hard?  Why is it all the modern free energy experimenters are coming up with zip, while all the century old experimenters were successful, ie Tesla, Hubbard, Moray, etc?

I have a few of theories.

1.  HAARP, The High Altitude Auroral Research Project, set up by the US Air Force and other questionable agencies in the 1960's causes the entire globe to resonate at 60 Hertz.  The actual reason for this technology is clouded in secrecy.  This project may be interfering with the natural flow of subtle energies on this planet.  It is a potential cause for the failure of free energy experiments world wide.

2.  The Earth's magnetic field is suppressed by a buildup of ice on the poles.  The naturals energies of the Earth should flow along with the natural magnetic field of Earth.  Supposedly the Earth is overdue for a polar realignment which would clear the ice blockages around the poles and allow the natural magnetic field be restored to full strength.  Thus allowing all natural energies that are supposed to flow along with the magnetic field also to return to full strength.

3.  Free energy researchers are being manipulated by nefarious psychic, and possibly discarnate forces which are determined to not allow free energy to exist.  We already know that there are many existing people (incarnate) which are determined to prevent free energy (big oil, financial, transmission line distribution, auto manufacturers, etc.)  We have seen the vast power and influence which these people wield, it would be perfectly feasible that they are using covert and illegal means to render the effects of free energy devices inert by means of field dampening devices, and psychic manipulation of the free energy researchers.

4.  We are living in an alternate time line in which subtle alternate energy sources do not exist, such as zero point energy.  The Montauk Project involved experimenting in space time, including alternate space time lines, or superspace.  The reality that we are experiencing may not be the reality that we are meant to occupy.  If we are stuck in an alternate time line where free energy will not work it would explain why we all try so hard to achieve something that seems feasible, yet none of us have been able to corroborate.

5.  OK, last one, God is protecting the meek.  Those of us who care about the environment, who want to achieve free energy, who want to stop polluting the environment, who want to have cheap plentiful power are all being "protected" from the technology because of the malevolence displayed by the status quo power elite.  God knows that those who have power want to keep it, and will do so at all costs.  That includes sacrificing anything, and anyone they need to hold power.  God (or benevolent forces) knows this and is protecting us from our own inventions to keep us safe until the time is right for the release of free energy.  When the time is right all of our wacky inventions will start working just as they are supposed to.  I know this is a stretch.  I have been chasing free energy and overunity for twenty years and I have zip, goose egg.  There has to be a reason.

While I agree that there is a discontinuity between what we think and our ability to explain what we see in our mind, this should not stop all people from building what they are thinking about.  The ability to verbally relate what one has built should not hinder the process of building.  For instance it is said that Tesla would build his devices in his mind and then bring them down to the physical plane and build them with his hands.  From our century later perspective it seems that he had it all figured out and could relate these concepts to anyone.  I do not think that this was so.  I think he was human, and upon having an epiphany he would have to meditate, write a lot of notes, hash out his ideas, build a device, troubleshoot the device, and then play with the device for a long time before coming up with the words to explain the device.

Also I believe that a lot of the free energy concepts that are floating around right now are valid.  It is a matter of development to get these concepts to working prototypes and then on to production level devices.  This is what the average free energy researcher lacks is development funding.  When a concept is pursued by government or big business there is a lot of money poured into the endeavor.   Also there is a lot of manpower involved.  But in the case of the free energy researcher we have one or maybe a few engineers working on a project and almost no budget to work with.  In my case I have myself (EE) and one consulting engineer working from the spare change that I can scrape up between paychecks.  This is hardly adequate.  No wonder free energy hasn't been accomplished.  But, you know, this is how many companies were started.  A garage endeavor on a shoestring budget managed to put together the right combination of components and get the little widget working.  Bam!  Then you get a little market share and you are off and rolling.

The bottom line is that we keep trying to achieve the goal.  The goal will always be just out of reach until we achieve it.  Then everything changes, and we go into production, then its work work work....

Blessed Be Brothers...

[resonanceman]

Howdy Y'all,

Have you considered that there is something wrong with our environment?

How could all of these free energy researchers not be finding overunity?  How could taping this vast, even universal, field of energy be that hard?  Why is it all the modern free energy experimenters are coming up with zip, while all the century old experimenters were successful, ie Tesla, Hubbard, Moray, etc?

Z monkey

I think  you are looking to far away for the answer .

I think  the  answer for why  we are not  getting any results here is because of the way things are done here .

You  could  call it skeptic  driven  reaserch .

WHat I have observed is that  when an idea is   produced that looks  promising   everyone  gathers around   to  try   a    to  varify   OU .     
The  person with the  idea is bombarded with  questions and  " demands " such as you need to test  this ......in this way . ........ you need to prove that .
A  successful test is   just a test ...........but  a failed  test   retires  that line of thinking .
The  skeptics keep   asking   questions and  demanding proof  untill   they  happen on  a  situation that the  inventor  can't answer  .......or the test fails . ......One more  possability  lost . .........even if the  test was not reallly valid .
WHen  the   person with the idea  finally runs  out  of  ideas.......or  gets  burnt  out  ...... the attitude is  ..........another  idea  lost .........another   person not willing or able to defend  there idea .


As long as  we need to DEFEND  our  ideas here ...... this  is not  a  safe place to develope   our ideas.
The majority   should  be ASSISTING   in  proving  that  our ideas are valid ............rather than   assuming  all of them are frauds untill proven otherwise .

I have a few  theorys   that I  want to  build .......I am not  stupid  enough  to   try to  perfect them here in  this environment ........I have seen this environment in action .    I can't  defend my  ideas  against  all the skeptics,  prove   every step along the way is valid  and  then  actually  make some  progress building    .

It is much  easier and more realistic  to just build it all myself .

Once  I have a working model  that  works well ......... then I  will  present if  for  varifcation .


gary