Something that I need to bring to attention...

[Bulbz]

I have been thinking about something quite a lot lately...

In most of the HHO videos I see on the internet, I see a load of people that think they know it all, saying a load of debunking stuff mostly rambling on about "you need more energy in than you will get back out !".

When are these people going to realise that us HHO nutters are not actually claiming overunity ? It is just another form of renewable energy.

The fact is, a Diesel engine requires a lot of energy to compress the air in the chamber to get up to ignition temperature, and then on top of that, the fuel pump must require even more pressure to spray the Deisel into that already heavily pressurised cylinder. But after all that, the Diesel engine is more efficient than a Petrol engine that does not require as much compression as the Diesel. With me so far ?...

Now as you probably already know... In the case of HHO, the water is introduced to the system as the fuel, then it is split into gas and then compressed. Then after the HHO has done it's duty, it is expelled into the atmosphere as a waste gas, only this time it is renewable as it is turned back into water. Now the bit where I stated "then it is split into gas and then compressed", isn't that's just what Petrol and Diesel engines do, spray the fuel with a pressure system to turn the fuel into a fine mist, then burn it and expell it ?.

Even in my first attempt a HHO production, I was getting quite a lot of gas and experiencing loud bangs from 24 volts at only about 180 mA. I have had people tell me that it is the electricity that makes the bang. Well, what I say to them is... "BULLS**T... You show me a battery that makes a loud bang at the terminals, when it is short circuited !". That one puts a cork in their mouth every time. 

So what I want to know is, what makes "the people that know", so sure that water cannot be a fuel ?.

[TheOne]

You are right, overunity is the really the objective, In my car, I am working on my unit, for the last 3 days I am thinking about to not use the battery from the car but instead put my unit in the trunk with other battery and just charge this other battery when they are low, so the HHO will be generated with the second battery, I dont really care about overunity at this point, I just want to save more OIL as possible! BTW electricity is way cheaper then using the engine to recharge the battery back Also using this system is more powerfull because you dont need to worry about the main battery voltage, so your car will always work like is supposed to do, you can even add 2 batteries instead of one and produce more HHO with more cell and save more gaz.

I will put a solar panel to charge the batteries back while I work at the office! I am still looking at a lot of stuffs to make my unit more easy to update, so I could remove the unit under 30 secs.

[shruggedatlas]

I have been thinking about something quite a lot lately...

In most of the HHO videos I see on the internet, I see a load of people that think they know it all, saying a load of debunking stuff mostly rambling on about "you need more energy in than you will get back out !".

When are these people going to realise that us HHO nutters are not actually claiming overunity ? It is just another form of renewable energy.

I do not follow.  HHO does not exist naturally, like oil.  So HHO must be created.  It costs more energy to make HHO than can be extracted from it.  Therefore, there is no point making it.

With oil, we are not trying to make it.  We just use what is already there.  That is why it makes sense.

[Feynman]

Okay , first of all here I'm not discussing anything OU.  This is all conventional.


@shruggedatlas

I do not follow.  HHO does not exist naturally, like oil.

Yes Oil is natural, but gasoline is not.   Gasoline is the same as HHO, in the sense that both are 'refined' products which require additional input energy to produce.

So HHO must be created.  It costs more energy to make HHO than can be extracted from it.

Agreed. In thermodynamic terms, you always have losses.   You must 'pay' (for instance) 1000Joules of electrical energy to get 700Joules of HHO.

However, in economic terms, it makes perfect sense.   The 'cost' for HHO (in $/Joule) is far less than gasoline (in $/Joule), since the HHO is created by electrical energy (paid for in the kilowatt hour), rather than in gasoline energy (paid for by the gallon).

[wattsup]

@shruggedatlas

"I does make sense".
You're right.
I makes dollars and cents.